New Football Stadium Designs

[Harv]

Maybe, maybe not. but that is where your argument that brick was chosen due to budgetary purposes has fallen apart. If budget was the primary driver, then why not clad the thing in a pre-frabricated brick facade, like just about every other modern building with a brick facade.

There's a similar argument that the roof truss was chosen because it's cheaper than a cantilevered roof. No chance. There's 650 tons of steel in that truss. No way that would be cheaper than a cantilevered roof which would use a fraction of the steel.

I think we need Yozza to settle this either way.

Not necessarily Dom. It may use more, but its probably made from standard lengths/sizes. Which goes a long way to offsetting the extra steel costs as they're basically "off the shelf" items, ready to go.

When you get into cantilever territory, you open up a whole other world of costs. The engineering involved on its own can blow out budgets. The non standard sizes involved will also blow out the budget. Whereas a truss is about as simple as it gets structurally.

From my experience as a budding architect, the simpler and more minimal you design something, the more expensive it is to build. Theres a reason manufacturers make things in standard sizes. As soon as you go out of these standards, be it steel, timber, glass etc you start to see costs spiral out of control. Its a shame that the industry is so standardised like this, as it really limits the creativity at times.

I just had the costs of a really beautiful, slender flat roof for a house I've designed come back and they're astronomical. It looks so simple on paper. A 380UB border, flat deck roof sheeting, laid on timber purlins at 1.5degrees and a massive box gutter in the middle. Its about quadruple the cost of a standard roof truss system that uses 5 times the materials.

[jonnygrunter]

Who do you work for Harv? I'm a quantity surveyor myself so deal with costs a lot. I wouldn't expect the flat roof to be four times the price of a pitch, generally they tend to be cheaper but if yours is more bespoke I could see the uplift. What is your thickness of insulation? Is it a grp covering?

[G]

Building nerds

[Harv]

Who do you work for Harv? I'm a quantity surveyor myself so deal with costs a lot. I wouldn't expect the flat roof to be four times the price of a pitch, generally they tend to be cheaper but if yours is more bespoke I could see the uplift. What is your thickness of insulation? Is it a grp covering?

A little studio in Adelaide called Tectvs.

Its a very bespoke roof. The bulk of the cost is the steel beam border and the welding involved. Each beam has a little steel upstand welded to it for the flashing to attach to.....then the box gutter which stretches the length of the house and is about a metre wide

No, we've used a pretty standard metal roof sheeting but the insulation has been beefed up to one with high R values, but be as thin as possible as we have only 350mm roof space to play with. Our regs here mean we have to meet certain insulation values to meet building code and perform in our summer heat too....and then this house is also in a high risk bushfire area, so we need to take that into account.

[Alex]

[dom9]

Not necessarily Dom. It may use more, but its probably made from standard lengths/sizes. Which goes a long way to offsetting the extra steel costs as they're basically "off the shelf" items, ready to go.

When you get into cantilever territory, you open up a whole other world of costs. The engineering involved on its own can blow out budgets. The non standard sizes involved will also blow out the budget. Whereas a truss is about as simple as it gets structurally.

From my experience as a budding architect, the simpler and more minimal you design something, the more expensive it is to build. Theres a reason manufacturers make things in standard sizes. As soon as you go out of these standards, be it steel, timber, glass etc you start to see costs spiral out of control. Its a shame that the industry is so standardised like this, as it really limits the creativity at times.

I just had the costs of a really beautiful, slender flat roof for a house I've designed come back and they're astronomical. It looks so simple on paper. A 380UB border, flat deck roof sheeting, laid on timber purlins at 1.5degrees and a massive box gutter in the middle. Its about quadruple the cost of a standard roof truss system that uses 5 times the materials.

Interesting.

[dom9]

Wimbledon are finally coming home.

[Bender]

Atletico Madrid's new stadium next season.

The new Estadio La Peineta arena in the Spanish capital will be the first to employ Philips ArenaExperience, an LED lighting system that lights the pitch and other parts of the stadium in different colors. It'll be lit up in Atletico's red and white to get fans going before and during a game. When a goal is scored, a light show will help fans celebrate.

The 67,000-seat capacity stadium will be lit by 336 Philips ArenaVision LED floodlights starting with the 2017-2018 season.


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New Puskás Ferenc Stadium

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City of Champions Stadium

[Fosterbloke]

They all look like giant potties to me.

[Bender]

They all look like giant potties to me.

Considering you have a Potty Mouth,I'm not surprised they look like Potties to you!

[Fivex]

Bottom smacked by Bender.

[Fosterbloke]

Considering you have a Potty Mouth,I'm not surprised they look like Potties to you!

Tenuous at best...

[dom9]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-38572335

Chelsea Football Club stadium plans given approval by council


Chelsea Football Club have been given permission by the local council to build a new £500m 60,000-seat stadium.

Hammersmith and Fulham council's planning committee have backed plans to demolish the current 41,600-capacity Stamford Bridge stadium.

The plans include a walkway from the nearby District Line station.

"We are grateful that planning permission was granted for the redevelopment of our historic home," Chelsea said in a statement.

"The committee decision does not mean that work can begin on site. This is just the latest step, although a significant one, that we have to take before we can commence work, including obtaining various other permissions."

London Mayor Sadiq Khan will have the final say on whether Chelsea can build their new stadium.

The new stadium has been designed by architects Herzog and de Meuron, who were also responsible for the "Birds Nest" Olympic stadium in Beijing.

The proposals could mean owner Roman Abramovich has to find a temporary home for the current Premier League leaders for up to three years, with both Twickenham Stadium and Wembley Stadium being looked at as possible options.



An artist's impression of the proposed new Stamford Bridge stadium
Chelsea might, however, struggle to use Wembley as north London rivals Tottenham Hotspur will occupy the national stadium for at least the 2017-18 football season as work finishes on Spurs' own new 61,000-capacity stadium.

Chelsea could stay at Stamford Bridge while the work takes place but this is thought to be the most expensive option.



The plans showing the outline of the new Chelsea stadium at Stamford Bridge including a new walkway to the ground from Fulham Broadway Tube station
Mr Abramovich has wanted to increase capacity at Chelsea on match days for a number of years.

He previously attempted to buy Battersea Power Station with a view to redeveloping the site into a new stadium, ultimately losing out to property developers who are currently building luxury apartments at the site.

Ten years ago Arsenal built the 60,000-seat Emirates Stadium, last summer West Ham moved to the 57,000-capacity Olympic Stadium in Stratford, east London, and Spurs are currently redeveloping their White Hart Lane ground.

The current 41,663-capacity Stamford Bridge is the seventh biggest stadium used by a Premier League team, well behind Manchester United's 76,000-seater stadium at Old Trafford.

[dom9]

Meanwhile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38559126

Millwall 'cannot rule out relocation' if Lewisham Council CPO proceeds

A Lewisham Council cabinet meeting, which was set to confirm a compulsory purchase order (CPO) for the land, has been postponed until February.

The Lions have played in Lewisham since 1910 and at The Den since 1993.

"I can't rule out relocation in the event the CPO went through," Kavanagh told BBC Radio 5 live.

Lewisham Council aims to regenerate the land around Millwall's ground in conjunction with property developer Renewal as part of the 'New Bermondsey' scheme, which proposes to create 2,400 homes, community facilities and a new overground station near the stadium.

Kavanagh says Millwall "actively" support regeneration of the area, but the League One club want to be involved in any scheme as the current CPO would affect the future of their academy and the Millwall Community Trust (MCT).

"We are calling for regeneration and development but we don't want to feel we are not important in this," Kavanagh added.

"If we are treated in such a manner that this CPO goes through and we are not at the heart of the proposed redevelopment, then we have to consider what we do.

"I have to look at every single angle to make sure the commercial viability and the long-term future of the club, and its community trust, is well served where we live."

Council seek 'outstanding information'

Millwall fans
Millwall fans displayed a banner opposing the council's CPO proposal during Saturday's 3-0 victory over Bournemouth in the FA Cup third round
Lions supporters have been vocal in their opposition to the CPO, with an online petition against the proposals gathering more than 27,000 signatures.

Tim Farron MP has been among the politicians to speak out about the plans, with the leader of the Liberal Democrats saying it would be "heartbreaking" for Millwall fans and the local community if the club were forced to move.

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan also "wholeheartedly supports" Millwall remaining in Lewisham.

On Monday, Kavanagh wrote to the council seeking talks about the "critical issues" surrounding the CPO, which the council said were a factor in the postponement of Wednesday's meeting.

"There has been an ongoing exchange of correspondence between the council and Millwall FC over the last few weeks," a statement from Lewisham Council said.

"A little more time is needed to complete this, and so the mayor and cabinet is not in a position to reconsider the decision.

"We are asking Millwall to provide outstanding information by 23 January as we intend to reconsider and make the decision in February."

The council has previously stated it is "very supportive" of Millwall and that its ability to operate at The Den "must and will be protected".

[ChesterDave]

How much of the £500m for Chelsea's new ground is for the 50% increase in plastic flags they have to hand out?