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    #226
    Like a number of players brought in last summer he didn't really get alot of chances. I thought he was ok when he played, but missed out when we went to a back 3, not sure why he didn't come back in when we changed to a back 4 at the end of the season.
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      #227
      Not sure much blame can be levelled at Rodgers here. Manquillo came in, looked okay in places but offered little going forward and was suspect defensively at the back. He certainly wasn't mismanaged; Manquillo came in, was dropped and was never going to get a look in when we reverted to three at the back.

      With Wisdom returning and Clyne signing, there's no point him being here.

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        #228
        Originally posted by Muddled View Post
        Not sure much blame can be levelled at Rodgers here. Manquillo came in, looked okay in places but offered little going forward and was suspect defensively at the back. He certainly wasn't mismanaged; Manquillo came in, was dropped and was never going to get a look in when we reverted to three at the back.

        With Wisdom returning and Clyne signing, there's no point him being here.

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          #229
          Originally posted by Muddled View Post
          Not sure much blame can be levelled at Rodgers here. Manquillo came in, looked okay in places but offered little going forward and was suspect defensively at the back. He certainly wasn't mismanaged; Manquillo came in, was dropped and was never going to get a look in when we reverted to three at the back.

          With Wisdom returning and Clyne signing, there's no point him being here.
          I think it is a difficult one, he is a relatively young player who is new to the club and the league, it is going to take time for any player to adapt. Personally I don't think he was given enough chances to definatively say whether he was good enough or not. The change of system effectively ended his chances of a game, because he isn't suited to a wing back role. I would be interested to know what has motivated us sending him back now. With Clyne in and Johnson out we are effectively where we were last summer in terms of cover, Flanagan is out for a while so are we going to use Wisdom as cover at RB?
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            #230
            He did alright and I think he's going to be a good player, it wasn't his fault that we switched to a back 3 last season and with, presumably, Wisdom back-up for the right back position this season there isn't really much need for him.


            ....or we're sticking with three at the back...
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              #231
              another player not given a chance. think he'd have been better playing RB than ruining emre cans confidence

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                #232
                I'd be surprised if we went into the season with Wisdom as our back-up RB. I actually wouldn't be surprosed to see him leave in August, unless Rodgers is planning on playing 3 at the back again and using him at RCB.

                It's a shame too as I still think there is a decent CB in there.
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                  #233
                  Originally posted by RedReet View Post
                  I'd be surprised if we went into the season with Wisdom as our back-up RB. I actually wouldn't be surprosed to see him leave in August, unless Rodgers is planning on playing 3 at the back again and using him at RCB.

                  It's a shame too as I still think there is a decent CB in there.
                  This is also my thinking based on his 2 strikers of Benteke and Sturridge with Coutihno and Firmino both dropping of the front two and free roaming,and another 3 in midfield!

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                    #234
                    Surely we wouldn't have just signed Clyne if we were planning to stick with 3 at the back
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                      #235
                      Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                      Surely we wouldn't have just signed Clyne if we were planning to stick with 3 at the back
                      just speculating ......can't see BR dropping Milner,Henderson and Can[after what he said] add the 2 Brazilians and Sturridge and Benteke thats' 7 teams places occupied,gk spot taken care of leaves 3 places,although Sturridge won't be back yet i'm think slightly ahead....probably wrong but you can see the dilemmas coming BR's way re team selection.

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                        #236
                        Originally posted by ric.williams View Post
                        another player not given a chance. think he'd have been better playing RB than ruining emre cans confidence
                        I don't think he was ever bought in with the expectation of playing much if at all. Johnson and Flanagan were both ahead of him. Injuries meant he got thrown in. He looked OK at best. Rodgers was seeing him in training everyday. The 3 at the back left him out of the picture. Can's confidence won't have been done any long term damage by playing him at right back. Should be character building if anything. Plenty of young players get shifted about early in their careers. There may be a time we need to switch him there in game due to injuries etc and having played there before will be helpful.
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                          #237
                          Originally posted by BobTheCharmer View Post
                          I don't think he was ever bought in with the expectation of playing much if at all. Johnson and Flanagan were both ahead of him. Injuries meant he got thrown in. He looked OK at best. Rodgers was seeing him in training everyday. The 3 at the back left him out of the picture. Can's confidence won't have been done any long term damage by playing him at right back. Should be character building if anything. Plenty of young players get shifted about early in their careers. There may be a time we need to switch him there in game due to injuries etc and having played there before will be helpful.
                          Originally posted by Muddled View Post
                          Not sure much blame can be levelled at Rodgers here. Manquillo came in, looked okay in places but offered little going forward and was suspect defensively at the back. He certainly wasn't mismanaged; Manquillo came in, was dropped and was never going to get a look in when we reverted to three at the back.

                          With Wisdom returning and Clyne signing, there's no point him being here.


                          Doesn't sound like either of you dickheads know what you're talking about. It's YET ANOTHER example of Rodgers doing something wrong, ok?
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                            #238
                            Originally posted by Fierce View Post


                            Doesn't sound like either of you dickheads know what you're talking about. It's YET ANOTHER example of Rodgers doing something wrong, ok?

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                              #239
                              Originally posted by Fierce View Post


                              Doesn't sound like either of you dickheads know what you're talking about. It's YET ANOTHER example of Rodgers doing something wrong, ok?
                              Oh **** off you Rodgers hater. Seriously go play a campfire song in homage to manquillo and pascoe you heven. Sick to death of hearing your constant whining over management, owners transfers the whole lot. Cunt.
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                                #240
                                Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                                Surely we wouldn't have just signed Clyne if we were planning to stick with 3 at the back
                                I don't think we will, well at least we won't start the season with it, but why would signing Clyne be an idication that we won't? He is afterall a very attacking full back.
                                If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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