Borussia Dortmund

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Lost again today! Bottom of the Bundesliga at the start of December with 8 defeats in 13 games

[SK]

failed to strenghten the team after loosing so many star players.
will turn it around after the winter break imo

[Zapater]

It's actually incredible with that squad. I've seen quite a bit of them this season, they haven't necessarily played poorly, just been punished for mistakes and haven't quite clicked. Very odd I must say, but Lewandowski's brilliance is a loss they're feeling.

[Darkon]

Ithink it's also evidence to Klopp's lack of tactical naivity/intelligence (or perhaps stubborness). He's been brilliant at getting Dortmund to play in one way, but he's shown no ability to change it even a little, and that's even when it started going wrong last season and especially during the current. Plays the same week in week out, and from the few games I've seen it looks like the tactic/team is read now. Almost all teams in the Bundesliga know how to close it down.

[dww]

A lot of people have said previously that the way he plays is a drain (mental and physical) on his players. Was it Guttman who said you could only keep a team together for three years at the top? Anyway perhaps it is as much about needed to freshen the squad up rather than the need for a new approach.

[RichC]

A lot of people have said previously that the way he plays is a drain (mental and physical) on his players. Was it Guttman who said you could only keep a team together for three years at the top? Anyway perhaps it is as much about needed to freshen the squad up rather than the need for a new approach.

Sounds like comments I've heard about a certain ex Liverpool manager

[dww]

Also applies to Mourinho. He simply never stays around long enough to slide very far.

[RichC]

Also applies to Mourinho. He simply never stays around long enough to slide very far.

Wil he stick it at Chelsea this time ?

[dww]

I suspect it will be a similar tale to last time - he may try to stay but I doubt it will make sense for him or the club to stay together for more than three/four seasons.

[peekay]

I really do hope Klopp and Dortmund pull themselves out of this slump. They have been one of modern football's great romantic stories. It will be a sad day for football if he has to leave Dortmund under such circumstances.

There maybe multiple reasons for this including tactical naivety as one poster earlier alluded to but I am guessing the main reason is clubs like Bayern poaching their best players year in, year out. There are only so many times one can rebuild under such circumstances and maybe this was one fight too many.

[Fosterbloke]

Would he necessarily be better for us?

[Chris]

Lost to bottom of the league today, well the team who were bottom earlier today! Dortmund 2nd from bottom now, could be bottom tomorrow after half a season if Freiburg do their job. Not sure how much longer they can keep telling themselves it'll get better, they are in a legit relegation scrap at the mo.

[SK]

they've got the winter break where they can regroup though. they will be fine

[Doc_Piptorious]

I really do hope Klopp and Dortmund pull themselves out of this slump. They have been one of modern football's great romantic stories. It will be a sad day for football if he has to leave Dortmund under such circumstances.

There maybe multiple reasons for this including tactical naivety as one poster earlier alluded to but I am guessing the main reason is clubs like Bayern poaching their best players year in, year out. There are only so many times one can rebuild under such circumstances and maybe this was one fight too many.

Bayern do that to pretty much any German club that has a player that Bayern wants. But Dortmund do likewise to Bundesliga clubs smaller than themselves.

Yes Dortmund have lost two players to Bayern in the past two seasons, and have had some really terrible runs of injuries, but they have also had more spending power generally than the rest of the Bundesliga (Bayern excluded).


And despite then losing some fantastic players, they did go out over the past two summers and buy a number of players that were coveted by other clubs. Players like Mkhitaryan, Immobile, Ginter, Aubameyang, Sokratis, Kagawa, and Sahin.


Even taking the players they lost over the past two seasons into account along with their current injures, the remaining squad of players still looks like it should be in the top six rather than being on the cusp of propping up the table.

[peekay]

Bayern do that to pretty much any German club that has a player that Bayern wants. But Dortmund do likewise to Bundesliga clubs smaller than themselves.

Yes Dortmund have lost two players to Bayern in the past two seasons, and have had some really terrible runs of injuries, but they have also had more spending power generally than the rest of the Bundesliga (Bayern excluded).


And despite then losing some fantastic players, they did go out over the past two summers and buy a number of players that were coveted by other clubs. Players like Mkhitaryan, Immobile, Ginter, Aubameyang, Sokratis, Kagawa, and Sahin.


Even taking the players they lost over the past two seasons into account along with their current injures, the remaining squad of players still looks like it should be in the top six rather than being on the cusp of propping up the table.

Cheers mate. Appreciate your insight on european football and managers