VAR thread

[Norbs]

Not seeing a great angle but it looks like Sadio's head, Sadio's arm, their defender's arm

[ChesterDave]

difficult without a good video app to pause the right frame but a quick pause/play/pause click around 1.45 shows it goes nowhere near Mane's hand.

They've utterly balls'd it up.

[Kenneth]

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[Exiled_red]

I hate VAR, I want it changed but last night was not an issue me. I think it was just unfortunate that we had a spate of incidents that were unusual and hard to decipher. Thought VAR did well in the end to give the correct decisions.

Also thought the ref was very interesting too. He wasn't your typical CL ref that would blow for every minor foul. If he felt a player has gone down too easily and could stay on his feet he would let play go on. Yes, we should had have a few fouls go our way but he did the same for them too and imo, that's the type of refereeing we should have more of to stop the simulation.

It may be that it got the decisions right (I still can't see the Mane handball). It might have been unusual that there were so many complicated VAR calls, but I think we are seeing at least one of these complicated or difficult to explain decisions in every 2 or 3 games we play, and to be honest I don't watch enough non-LFC games to say if this is the case for everyone but I assume it must be. I see absolutely no reason for the officials not to explain the decisions. eg for the penalty something like: "we have reviewed the offside decision and found that the forward was in an onside position, he was subsequently fouled by the GK so a penalty was awarded"

[Exiled_red]

For me, the problem is that its being over-used. If it was saved for only overturning clear and obvious mistakes, as we told when it was originally implemented, then that would be fine. But its being used to pickup on every last little infringment, many of which you couldn't possibly expect a referee to have seen.

Clear and obvious has long gone we are looking at tiny infringements essentially any contact in the box (if you go down) is a penalty which is not just a VAR issue it is a clear change of the rules, the same is true for level in offside calls and so on, it is changing the game and not for the better.

[Buzzo]

Although we benefited from a minuscule off-side tonight, over all. It’s still ****. Seems to be involved more in decent games.

I agree goal line tech is great. The rest seems to vary on a game by game basis.

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[RichC]

VAR is ****e isn't it. There's too much of it down to interpritation still and the way it's used where you sometimes see the lines coming out other times not it just seems to be at the discretion of the VAR official as to how he'll use it.

Get rid!

[Buzzo]

VAR is ****e isn't it. There's too much of it down to interpritation still and the way it's used where you sometimes see the lines coming out other times not it just seems to be at the discretion of the VAR official as to how he'll use it.

Get rid!

For Salah’s goal to be ruled out for an accidental hand ball from Bobby whilst he was being founded on the half way line is just nuts.

They have to find a way where it is at best used for an absolute howler.

That said, the game may have gone differently had Sons goal not been picked up. Overall though. Yep. It’s ****.

[Fredo]

VAR is ****e isn't it. There's too much of it down to interpritation still and the way it's used where you sometimes see the lines coming out other times not it just seems to be at the discretion of the VAR official as to how he'll use it.

Get rid!

So you want to get back at what it was before? That Spurs goal would have stood 100% it it was the case.

Again, I think in time, it will improve. Would it ever be perfect? Probably not, but never again I'd want a decision as last night's be down to a ref to be in a perfect situation and making an instant split gut feeling decision which could alter the course of a football game.

[BobTheCharmer]

So you want to get back at what it was before? That Spurs goal would have stood 100% it it was the case.

Again, I think in time, it will improve. Would it ever be perfect? Probably not, but never again I'd want a decision as last night's be down to a ref to be in a perfect situation and making an instant split gut feeling decision which could alter the course of a football game.

If it means getting rid of var surely no one would had a complaint about sons goal being allowed? It was so marginal.

I sat there and didn't shout, fist pump, celebrate any of our 3 goals because I'm so tuned to wait for var to have its seedy look at proceedings. It's ****ing taken away that immediate buzz of adrenalin and sheer ecstasy you used to get when your team scores a goal. Football is now so tame from lack of tackling on the pitch to lack of feeling off the pitch. No way would I get a kid of mine involved and hooked on this charade. We're too old and long in the tooth but the younger generation should **** football off pronto.

[Buzzo]

I was also ‘please VAR’ for the Son goal.

But it’s not in the spirit of the game I enjoy. Both goals should stand, level should be ‘on’. Poxy accidental handballs shouldn’t be hand ball.

You are the master of ‘wait and see’ Fredo

[Exiled_red]

I think the problem is that the rules of the game and use of VAR don't map up. The Salah disallowed goal as I said in the match thread I could understand the decision if Firmino wasn't being fouled. If you stick to the letter of the law yes it was handball, but it was a foul on Firmino, but you can't disallow a goal for us to bring it back and give us a freekick. IMO for that situation there needs to be some sort of offsetting where you can say there was handball but he was fouled causing it to happen nothing for either offence allow game to play on.

More than ever it seems like Shankly got it spot on with his quote "The trouble with referees is that they know the rules but they don't know the game" and that incident IMO was an example of it. The worrying thing is with VAR it seems that some refs don't even seem to know the rules

[Tribute]

VAR and the Stockley Park knobheads are all ****e.
Essentially we're going from refs making tight decisions in actual play and getting some of those wrong... but still in the spirit of the game in front of them... to ... technology ludites watching a massive screen, drawing inaccurate lines to prove their point rather than being objective... and then also backtracking a full phase of play to see a handball from one team due to the hand of the other team... but ignoring it because they'd look like dickheads to give us a freekick when we actually scored from the resulting passage of play.

VAR may be technically correct on some occasions - but the human line drawing, inaccurate point of ball contact, elbow/sleeve/armpit/fingernail/hip, etc makes it prone to errors too... and then there's the interpretation of the rules by the knobheads in Stockley Park into the earpiece of the ref who equally is clueless about the latest version 23.3 Thursday offside rule, which came in halfway through the season...

Then we all stand around for a few minutes waiting for the inevitable and VAR disallowing or allowing a goal/decision, by which time the fans have all started tweeting about how **** VAR is...

Son's goal last night I could see it being given... it was pretty damned close to being a good goal, so I would accept a ref's call. What I don't accept it pulling a goal back for a handball that was initiated by the Spurs handball... and giving Spurs a freekick.

Until it can be as black and white as the goal line technology, then it'll always be flawed and prone to human error and misinterpretation. So what's the point of having it??

It's ****ing ludicrous.

[Fredo]

I was also ‘please VAR’ for the Son goal.

But it’s not in the spirit of the game I enjoy. Both goals should stand, level should be ‘on’. Poxy accidental handballs shouldn’t be hand ball.

You are the master of ‘wait and see’ Fredo

Bobby's disallowed goal was a ridiculously bad decision but once it's down to interpretation, the referee will likely go towards applying the letter of the law, which removes that contextual element.

[RichC]

So you want to get back at what it was before? That Spurs goal would have stood 100% it it was the case.

Again, I think in time, it will improve. Would it ever be perfect? Probably not, but never again I'd want a decision as last night's be down to a ref to be in a perfect situation and making an instant split gut feeling decision which could alter the course of a football game.

I do yes, if the Spurs goal had stood so be it, it was marginal it would also have meant the Salah goal would have stood and the Mane goal vs Everton etc....

The implementation of var at present is woeful and doesn't work, that's not to say the tech couldn't work but the way it's being used at present isn't fit for purpose.