VAR thread

[frank the tank]

That was a shocking decision, but some of the pens this weekend looked fairly soft and we have seen similar things waved a way a couple of weeks ago there is a massive problem with consistency week to week and game to game and it's undermining the game.

The whole VAR needing it to be a clear and obvious error is a nonsense, it still only comes down to what the ref saw or thought he saw in real time, only the worst of the worst get changed, but there are dozens of poor decisions that it allows to stand every week.

Yip it is ****in farcical alright. Trust the FA / Premier League to introduce technology to bring in technology to help get correct decisions but also bring in a grey clause at the same time to make it subjective again. So it doesn't matter any more if it is the correct decision......but did the referee make a "clear and obvious" error in awarding an incorrect decision.

So Maddison dive shouldn't have been a peno.....but the ref didn't make an obvious error because it was a good dive...... **** off!!!

The whole thing is farcical. All they had to do was take the rugby union rule-makers out for lunch and a few drinks and just copy them!!! ****in morons.

[Exiled_red]

I don't get how football can be one of the last major sports to bring in technology to help officials makes decisions, with all the money it has and the ability to see how it is done well in other sports and still after a number of years have such a cluster **** of a system

[BobTheCharmer]

The game is 100% better without it.

Without it, you blame the ref and crack on.

Now I know someone can rectify his **** up and often they do nothing. Painful.

[Kenneth]

I agree. Before VAR you’d blame awful decisions on an incompetent or bent referee. Now they have to be blamed on at least a conspiracy between incompetent or bent officials, or worse, an institutionally inept of corrupt governing body. The latter is much worse.

[Exiled_red]

The game is 100% better without it.

Without it, you blame the ref and crack on.

Now I know someone can rectify his **** up and often they do nothing. Painful.

[baitman]

The bent ref can just put his finger in his ear and then blame some other cunt.
If VAR stays then make the communications live/public, then the anonymous ****s become answerable.

[ChesterDave]

Chris Kavanagh was on VAR. Fairly sure he is either from Manchester, affiliated to their local FA, or both

[S-RED]

Ref's VARing Ref's..... It's a closed shop & they are looking put for each other.

They need to change it up & get 1;former players to do it or 2; train up a team solely for VAR.

[Exiled_red]

This might be naive on my part but I don't think the VAR officials are corrupt or biased. I think that the rules around it's use are complicated and as a result applied inconsistently by people who are crap at their job, don't know the game and have no accountability.

VAR in it's current guise isn't fit for purpose. I have said for a while it would be beneficial for everyone if decisions were properly communicated, fans, players and everyone involved would understand the decisions and there would be some accountability as people could call into question the rationale for decisionsand this could be used to improve the system and training of officials.

Robertson rightly has to serve his ban, we as a club have to accept the result, but Tierney and Kavanagh don't face any consequences for the **** show that was their performance.

[wiw]

The definition of 'clear and obvious' seems to be the problem to me. Either a decision is right or wrong? Take the Jota penalty incident - it's a penalty and he didn't give one - isn't that clear and obvious?

[rudedog]

Same with the Kane incident, clear and obvious that it was red but VAR chose not to intervene (but did with Robbos yellow)

For professionals, it’s difficult to understand how they can be so utterly incompetent.

I’d love hear an explanation from them, we won’t though as there is no accountability.

[wiw]

Same with the Kane incident, clear and obvious that it was red but VAR chose not to intervene (but did with Robbos yellow)

For professionals, it’s difficult to understand how they can be so utterly incompetent.

I’d love hear an explanation from them, we won’t though as there is no accountability.

[Kenneth]

They’ve got it totally arse about face. There’s one ref with restricted angles, who only sees things once in real time, who has to run around to keep up with play, who gets lobbied by players in his ear and the crowd. There’s another with none of those issues who has the added benefit of uninterrupted concentration, a top down view of the game, multiple camera angles, slow motion and an augmented reality system. Let’s design a process that gives the former all of the control and restricts what the latter is allowed to be involved in

[S-RED]

It should not be 'clear & obvious', it should be 'Ref i think you have missed that'.

That way if there is a competent VAR official, he tells the ref what he missed, rather than thinking 'well i can't really overrule that as it is not 'clear & obvious'.

Still wouldn't be a guarantee that Kavanagh would have stopped smokin his pot to change the decision yesterday mind...

[Kenneth]

It should be VAR says “that was a pen” and the ref (aka professional whistle blower) says “okay boss”.