VAR thread

[Exiled_red]

Watching it in womens world cup, Argentina awarded a pen by VAR, not clear whether it was a pen or not. Pen is saved by the GK, but it is retaken as the GK moves forward as the ball is struck, pen incident is in the 85th min, finally scored in the 94th, full time whistle goes in the 95th min

We saw in the womens world cup earlier pens being retaken after another Gk moved off the line, technically correct decision but I don't see how you can expect a GK to do anything on a pen if they aren't allowed to even move slightly off their line.

Next season there will be a hell of alot of pens and a significant number of saves wiped out. I think that it is going to make football a farce.

[Shaggy]

That is absolutely outrageous

[Buzzo]

I just watched that.

****ing hell. What a shambles. Was a clear pen tbf, but took about 5 mins to get to the decision. Then saved and rebound saved. Apparently it’s now a retake if the keeper moves even slightly off the line so retake which took us to 90+4. The ref only played 1 additional minute.

If VAR is used like that it will destroy the game.

If the keeper has to stay on the line like that (she effectively had to start a metre behind to get momentum to dive) then pens are so loaded in favour of the attackerntoud as well give a goal.

[Buzzo]

Watching it in womens world cup, Argentina awarded a pen by VAR, not clear whether it was a pen or not. Pen is saved by the GK, but it is retaken as the GK moves forward as the ball is struck, pen incident is in the 85th min, finally scored in the 94th, full time whistle goes in the 95th min

We saw in the womens world cup earlier pens being retaken after another Gk moved off the line, technically correct decision but I don't see how you can expect a GK to do anything on a pen if they aren't allowed to even move slightly off their line.

Next season there will be a hell of alot of pens and a significant number of saves wiped out. I think that it is going to make football a farce.

I didn’t notice you’d already posted this!!!

[baitman]

They'll just end up not diving and stand big to save the ones down the middle.

[Buzzo]

The keeper should be allowed to move off the line FFS...!

It’s going to be ****ing bedlam with retaken pens next season which will lead to loads of aggro in the stands.

[Exiled_red]

This might sound stupid but consistency in this rule is going to be a nightmare, are they going to review every saved penalty and for how long? From the picture Shaggy posted it's difficult to see if her foot is on/over or off the line. We could end up in the position where VAR takes 5 mins to decide whether it is a pen or not, then spend another 5 mins deciding whether the keeper's save stands or if the pen has to be retaken.

[topscorer]

This might sound stupid but consistency in this rule is going to be a nightmare, are they going to review every saved penalty and for how long? From the picture Shaggy posted it's difficult to see if her foot is on/over or off the line. We could end up in the position where VAR takes 5 mins to decide whether it is a pen or not, then spend another 5 mins deciding whether the keeper's save stands or if the pen has to be retaken.

This new rule + VAR is going to completely undermine the success/failure of the first season with VAR.

Bringing in VAR is supposed to reduce contentious moments not increase them.

With that rule you might as well just give a penalty goal like in rugby and do away with the farce of taking and retaking the penalty completely.

[Exiled_red]

This new rule + VAR is going to completely undermine the success/failure of the first season with VAR.

Bringing in VAR is supposed to reduce contentious moments not increase them.

With that rule you might as well just give a penalty goal like in rugby and do away with the farce of taking and retaking the penalty completely.

The other thing is if it is the keeper who gave away the pen, if they get a booking for that it could be in their interest not to try to save the pen because if they take their foot off the line that could be a 2nd booking and a sending off

[Exiled_red]

The other issue with VAR for me is if we are going to agonise over these tiny margins on decisions it is going to amplify other errors made by officials which aren't VAR reviewable.

The impact the official had on tonights game was huge, as I say foul for the pen took place in about the 85th minute and the goal was scored in the 93rd or 94th minute and the full time whistle went a minute later. To my mind there should have been 5 mins or so of normal time plus stoppage time (given the number of goals and subs in that half probably between 4 and 5 mins) meaning the referee blew the full time whistle about 8 minutes early. That is a massive cock up which could have had as much (if not more) impact on the out ome than the penalty, but little is said about that.

[peterbread]

I had two seasons of VAR in Australia and I hate it and want it gone. The majority of ex players/pundits hate it and it still gets so much wrong. When you’re at the game and something is happening and you don’t know what it’s ridiculous. Plus you see the replay on the big screen and it just winds up the fans especially when it’s wrong. It’s got worse over the two years. Get rid of it and don’t bother.

Goal line technology is fine as it’s quick and clear. That type of thing works, VAR is still down to someone’s opinion. With offsides here they don’t use those lines they have on replays. Why not? If you’re going to use it do it properly. Two years of VAR and in both seasons grand finals they have messed it up.

[Exiled_red]

I had two seasons of VAR in Australia and I hate it and want it gone. The majority of ex players/pundits hate it and it still gets so much wrong. When you’re at the game and something is happening and you don’t know what it’s ridiculous. Plus you see the replay on the big screen and it just winds up the fans especially when it’s wrong. It’s got worse over the two years. Get rid of it and don’t bother.

Goal line technology is fine as it’s quick and clear. That type of thing works, VAR is still down to someone’s opinion. With offsides here they don’t use those lines they have on replays. Why not? If you’re going to use it do it properly. Two years of VAR and in both seasons grand finals they have messed it up.

Do you support a team in Australia or do you watch as a neutral?

One of my big fears about VAR is that it will take away my love of the game when it starts impacting LFC, so far we have avoided the drama of having thought we have won a game only for VAR to rule out a late winner or similar, but it is only a matter of time. I worry that by the time you have had a few of those decisions you stop having the pure emotion from those goals because you are waiting to see if it will be disallowed. Have you had this experience?

[Exiled_red]

I think a friend of mine summed up VAR fairly well

VAR is applying the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the rules, while I am sure the rules lawyers love it, that's not how fans want to see the game

[peterbread]

Do you support a team in Australia or do you watch as a neutral?

One of my big fears about VAR is that it will take away my love of the game when it starts impacting LFC, so far we have avoided the drama of having thought we have won a game only for VAR to rule out a late winner or similar, but it is only a matter of time. I worry that by the time you have had a few of those decisions you stop having the pure emotion from those goals because you are waiting to see if it will be disallowed. Have you had this experience?

I support Brisbane. Been a season ticket holder for 5 years. While they have gone backwards, which I can take, the VAR kills it. It takes too long, you don’t know what’s happening and even if it is a correct decision you can’t help but feel you’ve be done. I remember reading that Brisbane had been on the wrong end of more mistakes than any other team. Don’t know if it’s true but it feels like it.

One problem is they show the replay of a goal and you can see somethings off and every knows it but they don’t check. Players have started waiting for replays and saying to the ref look can you check it but they don’t. It just frustrates so much and takes away some of the drama and fun. Then when it all looks good they check and it goes on and on. I sometimes feel like the refs are protecting each other and not making any changes when they should.

Penalties are the worst because one refs says yes but the other says no so no one is happy in the end. It was supposed to be clear errors but even those aren’t changed. The number of dodgy penalties still given and not overturned is ridiculous. Doesn’t stop blatant diving.

I could rant for ages, I just hate it and don’t see it working. I mean two grand finals with VAR and both times it’s ****ed it up!

[Tatterdemalion]

It's simple - the main ref should be in the studio. It would work so much better.