VAR thread

[dom9]

The VAR system is there to give more right decisions than wrong and if you have an excellent side that plays the game the right way, it will pan out to be more beneficial than detrimental over the course. No point in debating isolated incidents as refs and linos we’re making these mistakes even pre VAR.

Sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense.

[Kenneth]

One minor point, VAR is not the technology, VAR is the referee using video to assist him. The statement that VAR works but the refs don't does not make sense.

The technology works, ie digital video recording and playback, but we've known that for a long long time. But we've also known that it doesn't lead to consistently objective and correct opinions for as long as match of the day has been on TV. We are looking for a truth that doesn't exist, and throwing technology at the problem will not help in that regard. One day we might at least achieve consistency if humans are taken out of the decision making. And consistency is the best that can possibly be achieved. Still won't mean the rules being applied consistently will be necessarily 'right'.

In the short term, VAR can at best give a human judge a better view, and if we think that's important enough to change the game to accommodate it then that advantage needs to be fully exploited, and that means giving the ref with the enhanced view control of the game. The VAR being the ref, the on-field official the communicator. Until that is adopted, VAR will not add sufficient value to justify the disruption that it causes.

[Maxiedge]

I'd rather an incident gets highlighted and outed for it's wonky lines rather than being swept under the carpet. VAR is a work in progress and will improve and I personally welcome it.

Also, any innovation that knocks out the blue****e in the last minute of CL QF gets my vote.

[BobTheCharmer]

Sorry Maxi, you're wrong. It's ****. Every time a team scores, you half celebrate, pause to see if there's been some minor infringement, go full celebration when there's nowt or have to have 2 minute VAR checks and then you celebrate or not again. It's not entertainment, it kills any flow and natural exzuberance that previously existed being a fan.

[Maxiedge]

Sorry Maxi, you're wrong. It's ****. Every time a team scores, you half celebrate, pause to see if there's been some minor infringement, go full celebration when there's nowt or have to have 2 minute VAR checks and then you celebrate or not again. It's not entertainment, it kills any flow and natural exzuberance that previously existed being a fan.

I take the stoppages point more than the effectiveness of it. Maybe it's the fact that I'm sitting at home and not freezing my arse off in the cold and the stoppage of will he /won't he give it can be quite exciting.

On a completely personal level, I've thoroughly enjoyed the season so far and VAR has not really killed any previous excitement I've had for the game but I take on board other people's opinions.

[Exiled_red]

I think that the reason it is not ruining our enjoyment is because results are going well at the moment and when VAR decisions have gone against us they have not proved costly. If say we had drawn on Saturday and lost to Man Utd a couple of weeks back, the decision to allow the Man Utd goal and disallow Firmino's on Saturday as well as not look at the Villa handball, I think we would be much more frustrated with VAR.

[Maxiedge]

Sorry Maxi, you're wrong. It's ****. Every time a team scores, you half celebrate, pause to see if there's been some minor infringement, go full celebration when there's nowt or have to have 2 minute VAR checks and then you celebrate or not again. It's not entertainment, it kills any flow and natural exzuberance that previously existed being a fan.

I think 9 times out of 10 it's okay to celebrate. You can normally tell if there is something amiss or a reason why it might get chalked off. I think the idea is to allow goals to stand unless there is something clear and obvious. The reason Firmino's goal was not given on Saturday was due to the linesman flagging which set off a chain of events that meant any overruling would have to be clear and obvious . You should only flag if you're 100% sure, otherwise let play go on and it will be decided by VAR.

I think that the reason it is not ruining our enjoyment is because results are going well at the moment and when VAR decisions have gone against us they have not proved costly. If say we had drawn on Saturday and lost to Man Utd a couple of weeks back, the decision to allow the Man Utd goal and disallow Firmino's on Saturday as well as not look at the Villa handball, I think we would be much more frustrated with VAR.

Carrying on from the above, yes it hasn't ****ed us over to the level of having a last minute winner chalked off after celebrating and it's true that something like that could change my viewpoint but at the same time, it could work the other way and for us.

[Mr Pink]

Complete overreaction to VAR imo. I’ve already previously said that VAR works well for us as a football club and we should support it.

I don’t think it’s worked well for us so far, but tbf to most people on here, I think we’re arguing about whether it’s good for the game, rather than good for LFC, and it’s not good for either.

I agree that it’s a work in progress and always was gonna be, but I thought it would be a lot better already than what it is. I have 2 big issues with var- it makes the game less exciting and it’s not getting a lot of decisions right imo. I knew I was gonna have the first issue, but not the second.

After the city game in January, we were thinking if we had var, kompany would have walked- but the way it’s being used now, he wouldn’t have! I’m sure every team has their own examples, and can still say it evens out or whatever.

Making the game less exciting- we don’t get as excited when we get a var goal as a non var goal. It’s about the tension being released gradually instead of all at once. It’s like the difference between blowing up a balloon and popping it, or blowing it up and then slowly leaving the air out again, if that makes sense [emoji23]

[dom9]

It's currently the main topic of discussion in three different threads.

I think it's fair to say that feedback isn't positive.

[peterbread]

See you’ve had it for 5 minutes so you thing it’s going to get better. It’s the 3rd season in Australia and it’s still ****ing ****. No improvement, no one likes it and it just kills the fun at the games.

[Rich]

It's been a disaster so far in the Premier League. In the stadium no-one has a clue and at OT the other week for Mane's disallowed goal - the hoardings had it down as a goal for several seconds before the graphic was updated.

Utterly shambolic.

[Leyton388]

Corrupt to the core with cunts like Atkinson running it. It has only shown even more how incompetent English officials are.

[BG1973]

The VAR system is there to give more right decisions than wrong and if you have an excellent side that plays the game the right way, it will pan out to be more beneficial than detrimental over the course. No point in debating isolated incidents as refs and linos we’re making these mistakes even pre VAR.

It should be there to correct every incorrect decision (at least that's what fans expected) And it isn't.

Currently it's ridiculous and pissing fans off every week as we are seeing the errors they are choosing to ignore.

[Chris]

Another blinding weekend, a perfectly fine goal disallowed for offside. No doubt there will be another screw job on us tomorrow too.

[topscorer]

VAR thread

They are disallowing goals for offside by margins of millimeters but a clear tug by Luís in the LEI vs ARS game isn't a clear and obvious penalty.

The way VAR is being used is a farce, not the idea of VAR itself.