VAR thread

[rudedog]

I agree that the expectation of getting things right has been massively inflated with the introduction of VAR. However, it’s really just shone the light on just how bad the officiating actually is - scrapping VAR won’t fix this. The same people will be responsible for making the important decisions.

I think removing VAR is a step backwards - I’d much rather they just got better at implementing it.

[Charly]

I think that sums it up perfectly

The human error has just been shifted to a faceless bloke in a room. Nothing is solved. Independent var operators would help bring back creditability

[DerKrampus]

VAR offsides should only be judged in real time, that will remove the need for those millimetres calls, instead it should just be obvious ****.

Same with blatant fouls, tackles in slow motion always look worse, instead in real time you can see what the player was trying to do, rather than making it look worse that it is.

[S-RED]

PGMOL manage only the onfield refs & a completley independant body manages the VAR rooms with competant people, with their descision final; that fixes it......

[Cerbie]

PGMOL manage only the onfield refs & a completley independant body manages the VAR rooms with competant people, with their descision final; that fixes it......

You need to change the whole ethos of VAR to make the right decision. Measure their performance on that, and if they can’t call it, send the ref to the monitor.

AI offside, due next season, needs to state up front the margin of error and award to the attacking side when it is within that margin.

Where do you suddenly get 40 to 60 competent individuals from that aren’t part of the PGMOL from? Possibly borrow from other leagues, but for a truly independent VAR official it will take time unfortunately.

[Scratch]

What's the betting Wolves get a favourable VAR decision in their next match to try and mitigate their anger towards the system. I pity their next opponents.

[The_weatherman]

I'm in the scrap it camp. I thought we'd get less bull**** and less decisions for the usual teams, United and City now, but it's doesn't seem to matter. Oliver who gets all the big City matches doesn't even use it and they just bull**** their way through everything either way. Until a real change happens at the PGMOL it doesn't matter what we use.

Hope Klopp continues to berate them after his contract is up!

[Pablo]

What's the betting Wolves get a favourable VAR decision in their next match to try and mitigate their anger towards the system. I pity their next opponents.

I see what you did there.

[Exiled_red]

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I have seen these types of posts floating around as a justification for why teams (Wolves in particular) might want rid of VAR. Those are the figure for onfield decisions overturned by VAR. It is just one metric which doesn’t tell the whole picture. But looking at that alone you could see why some teams such as Wolves might want rid of VAR, they would have got 17 more decisions without VAR than with it. But assuming VAR got those decisions correct, what was actually happening was onfield decisions were being generously given in Wolves favour but VAR was 'correcting' them. When you have that kind of ratio I can see why you would dislike VAR.

That's not to say that all the decisions changed were necessarily correct but this type of info is missing the much larger set of decisions where VAR didn't intervene but shoilf have (Odegaard handball, Doku challenge on MacAllister etc in our case, and same for every club.

IMO we need to be looking at ways to improve VAR and officiating in general. I would start by being more transparent in how the decisions are made, hearing conversations between ref and VAR, but also not having the same people doing both backing their mates up etc

[vlahka]

They should make one where it shows wrong decisions by VAR.

[Exiled_red]

They should make one where it shows wrong decisions by VAR.

Problem is they are all subjective...

[ChesterDave]

Problem is they are all subjective...

Most are. Our disallowed goal v Spurs wasn't subjective at all.

[Cerbie]

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/...09777104105824

I have seen these types of posts floating around as a justification for why teams (Wolves in particular) might want rid of VAR. Those are the figure for onfield decisions overturned by VAR. It is just one metric which doesn’t tell the whole picture. But looking at that alone you could see why some teams such as Wolves might want rid of VAR, they would have got 17 more decisions without VAR than with it. But assuming VAR got those decisions correct, what was actually happening was onfield decisions were being generously given in Wolves favour but VAR was 'correcting' them. When you have that kind of ratio I can see why you would dislike VAR.

That's not to say that all the decisions changed were necessarily correct but this type of info is missing the much larger set of decisions where VAR didn't intervene but shoilf have (Odegaard handball, Doku challenge on MacAllister etc in our case, and same for every club.

IMO we need to be looking at ways to improve VAR and officiating in general. I would start by being more transparent in how the decisions are made, hearing conversations between ref and VAR, but also not having the same people doing both backing their mates up etc

A lot of the figures being banded about today need context to fully understand. Sky had one, 83% correct decisions pre-VAR and 96% now. Honestly most are comparing apples, bananas and starfruit, to justify continued use of the system.

[Kenneth]

Another thing that ****s me off is that the PGMOL cunt goes on Sky, a subscription only channel, to explain/propagandise on behalf of the officials who are funded and governed by the PL, EFL and FA. Sky does not own this ****ing sport and the PGMOL should be answerable to all fans, Sky subscription or not. We have the farcical situation of Sky monetising refereeing errors and incompetence, with the help of the referees themselves.

[Big-Red-Ed]

I'd scrap Var purely for ruining the flow and experience of the game. Of course compounded by completely inept and borderline corrupt officiating of it.

YNWA