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    Originally posted by Liverpool View Post
    Not having that the Italians were the better team tbh.



    England the better side in the first half and the requirements when you're winning so much different to trailing. Italy clearly on top for 35 mins in the second half and England coming back into it towards the end and ET.



    I thought Southgate over stacked the squad with attacking mids and forwards and not enough CM's. They were crying out for another mid in place of Mount/Sterling all second half before the equaliser. Should have took Ward-Prowse rather than Ben White, even Milner would have been better.



    Kane was ****ed and not pressing. What's the point in Calvert-Lewin or out of form Rashford?



    The decision to put those young lads on pens was utter madness. Put that pressure on Henderson not a 19 year old.



    Don't think Southgate has done a good job given what he's got to work with, two easy routes in tournaments and blown it. England should/could have beat everyone they've faced this tournament, just because his way has won up to now doesn't mean other ways would fail. The fashion in international football is to keep it tight and the odd goal going forward, England could have blown Italy out the water in that first 30 mins.



    Needs to convert Maddison/Saka or someone of that ilk into a box to box midfielder before the World Cup
    England were crap and in the end punished for trying to sit on a 1-0 lead for 87 mins.

    Italy were the team of the tournament and deserved to win it.

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      Originally posted by rodo View Post
      shilton`s grid

      Oh dear “Shilts” Brexit means Brexit.
      3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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        Sterling no good for penalties. Hes a tap in merchant, and whats needed is someone who can bang in a ball with some power.
        I bet rashford has learnt that stuttering run up from penandez
        removing all the weak links makes us stronger

        too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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          Originally posted by RedReet View Post
          It doesn't always go to the 5th penalty though. What's the point in having your best penalty taker go last if he may not even get to hit one? I'd definitely have the best taker first.
          But does that happen in recent times. Penalties particularly among top teams almost always seem to go to at least 5 nowadays. With footballers becoming so good at them, and referees being strict on goalkeepers leaving the line before the shot.

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            Originally posted by HamboCairns View Post
            Yeah he was impressive indeed!

            If you could take one player from this tournament just based on Euro 2020 performances to drop into our starting XI, who would it be?
            Spinazzola was brilliant for Italy up until his injury. Jorginho was outstanding all tournament too, as was Donnaruma. Even Kyle Walker had a fantastic tournament.

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              Originally posted by danperkins View Post
              Spinazzola was brilliant for Italy up until his injury. Jorginho was outstanding all tournament too, as was Donnaruma. Even Kyle Walker had a fantastic tournament.

              So you'd have one of them?
              Was muß, das muß.

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                Originally posted by Liverpool View Post
                Not having that the Italians were the better team tbh.



                England the better side in the first half and the requirements when you're winning so much different to trailing. Italy clearly on top for 35 mins in the second half and England coming back into it towards the end and ET.



                I thought Southgate over stacked the squad with attacking mids and forwards and not enough CM's. They were crying out for another mid in place of Mount/Sterling all second half before the equaliser. Should have took Ward-Prowse rather than Ben White, even Milner would have been better.



                Kane was ****ed and not pressing. What's the point in Calvert-Lewin or out of form Rashford?



                The decision to put those young lads on pens was utter madness. Put that pressure on Henderson not a 19 year old.



                Don't think Southgate has done a good job given what he's got to work with, two easy routes in tournaments and blown it. England should/could have beat everyone they've faced this tournament, just because his way has won up to now doesn't mean other ways would fail. The fashion in international football is to keep it tight and the odd goal going forward, England could have blown Italy out the water in that first 30 mins.



                Needs to convert Maddison/Saka or someone of that ilk into a box to box midfielder before the World Cup
                Even without me pulling the stats Italy dominated that game. Apart from one lapse in concentration for Luke Shaw actually scoring a goal they were never in trouble. England are hard to beat and are awful to watch. They have so much talent but they have a bang average manger, just like Belgium.

                Italy were the best team throughout the tournament and the best team on the night. Also, you know things are bad when English players do more diving and play acting than Italy.
                Last edited by danperkins; 12-07-21, 08:37 AM.

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                  Originally posted by HamboCairns View Post
                  So you'd have one of them?
                  Hard to pick one and Spinnazola obviously missed the last few games but he looked outstanding for them up until that. Jorginho, Bonucci or Donnaruma for player of tournament imo.

                  Walker, Sterling and Shaw had excellent tournaments too imo.

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                    Chiellini and Bonucci pairing, absolutely world class throughout the years.

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                      I would have thought that having gone through it himself Southgate would have known how to handle taking pens and picking players to take pens etc. To be honest I was really disappointed in the way that he handled it.

                      Also from a players perspective I can't understand why someone like Sterling (an experienced attacking player who is likely to be involved in such situations for club and Country) isn't getting help with taking pens (both practice and the mental/psychological side of things). As IMO at some point he is going to have to take one, even if 5 of his team mates step up he still might have to take one in sudden death
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                        Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                        Hard to pick one and Spinnazola obviously missed the last few games but he looked outstanding for them up until that. Jorginho, Bonucci or Donnaruma for player of tournament imo.

                        Walker, Sterling and Shaw had excellent tournaments too imo.
                        IMO Shaw was England's best player in the tournament
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                          Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                          IMO Shaw was England's best player in the tournament
                          He was brilliant, off the back of a very strong season too.

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                            Regarding the pens. It's a lottery, you just don't wanna to get to that situation as no matter how good you are at taking pens, how experienced you are, with that pressure anybody can miss. I wouldn't blame Southgate for his pen takers choice either.

                            It's a **** way to lose.

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                              Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                              I would have thought that having gone through it himself Southgate would have known how to handle taking pens and picking players to take pens etc. To be honest I was really disappointed in the way that he handled it.

                              Also from a players perspective I can't understand why someone like Sterling (an experienced attacking player who is likely to be involved in such situations for club and Country) isn't getting help with taking pens (both practice and the mental/psychological side of things). As IMO at some point he is going to have to take one, even if 5 of his team mates step up he still might have to take one in sudden death
                              His issues are deeper than penalties. He can’t shoot.
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                                Originally posted by peekay View Post
                                But does that happen in recent times. Penalties particularly among top teams almost always seem to go to at least 5 nowadays. With footballers becoming so good at them, and referees being strict on goalkeepers leaving the line before the shot.
                                No idea, but if Kane went last night, England would have been out before it came to his pen. I'm also not sure about players being so good at them either, loads were missed during the Euros including 50% of last night's.
                                If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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