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Paul.S
I was in the Centenary wishing i was back in the Kop for the first time since i moved. Brought a tear to the eye. respect to one and all present even the old duffers in the Main stand who actually stood up a couple of times!!
Yeah i was in the main stand this time right next to the kop, such a special night and what a game to finish up on as its my last for a few years before i go back to oz
I know this is a sensitive subject. There's all this talk of "Justice". What actually do people see as "Justice" 18 years later? And who for? The dead? The families of the dead?
Is Justice:
1) A full apology for what was published by the S*n
2) Re-inquest into the deaths?
3) A re-trial with the im of the conviction of the Police for what happened?
Who knows - and I'm sure each of the family members and friends of the dead have a different definition.
The reason I ask this question is it's not actually clear from the HJC website what it is they want. I'm interested to know what it is people actually want so many years later. This is a genuine question, not meant as an antagonistic comment.
Mods - if you think this subject is too sensitive for debate on this forum, please delete. I repeat - this is not meant as an inflammatory post.
My best wishes to all who are personally affected by this issue.
Respect to Alan Green (BBC radio Five Live) who made a point of explaining on national radio what the Kop were doing and why they were doing it. He also showed his disgust at Kelvin MacKenzie and The S*n (despite the fact that MacKenzie had recently presented a show on Five Live).
Respect also to the fans of Newcastle, Ipswich etc who contacted Five Live’s ‘606’ radio phone-in to show their support and to echo Green’s feelings towards MacKenzie.
I know this is a sensitive subject. There's all this talk of "Justice". What actually do people see as "Justice" 18 years later? And who for? The dead? The families of the dead?
Is Justice:
1) A full apology for what was published by the S*n
2) Re-inquest into the deaths?
3) A re-trial with the im of the conviction of the Police for what happened?
Who knows - and I'm sure each of the family members and friends of the dead have a different definition.
The reason I ask this question is it's not actually clear from the HJC website what it is they want. I'm interested to know what it is people actually want so many years later. This is a genuine question, not meant as an antagonistic comment.
Mods - if you think this subject is too sensitive for debate on this forum, please delete. I repeat - this is not meant as an inflammatory post.
My best wishes to all who are personally affected by this issue.
Colin that is a fair point................let me try and answer your questions
1 The S*n did produce a half hearted apology.................15 years too late.that is why the boycott continues and to this day sales of tha\t rag are still 30% down on pre Hillsborough sales figures
2 The Inquest: there is still a lot of anger about the fact that the coroner deemed that the cut off time for the inquest was 3-06 even though there was clear evidence from police officers that some of the deceased were still alive after this time...............this effectively stopped any questions about the emergency services response being entered into evidence
3 The Police............there is still much anger about this..........Dukenfield being given permission to wear full dress uniform at the inquest even though he was suspended from duty at the time........... the Judges misdirection at the trial where he asked the jury to consider the possible implications a guilty verdict might have on other police officers in charge of large crowd events..........you simply cannot do this .............. a jury must make its decision on the facts of the case alone and not be swayed by any effect it may have on any subsequent cases
Lawrenson:"Well thats 3 good chances they have had in the first 3 minutes of this half"
Motson:"" Yes Mark, you could almost say that they have had 3 chances in as many minutes"
Lawrenson: Errr I thought I just did say that, John"
The fan and the people who organised this today created an emotional and magical momment that will have been seen, admired and respected by all sorts of fans throughout the world.
It was a performance to show every other club how special the bond between this club, it's fans and it's community really is.
It is unmatchable.
I would give my right nut to have been there for a part of that wonderfull show of love, passion, togetherness and honour regardless of the game, performance and final score.
This thread is to show respect to those involved in that today.
Can we please continue to do so and leave the comments about the team for the other threads?
Anfield Road
Centenery
Main Stand/Paddock
The Kop - beyond words.
I was in the Paddock and the atmosphere, for the first 20 minutes, was absolutely ****ing awe-inspiring. As good as the Roma game I'd say. Well, almost. Taped the game and just watched it and, though it did sound ace on the telly, it obviously didn't transmit the full power and emotion of how it felt/sounded in the ground.
Stupendous effort. Hope we keep this going for other, 'lesser' games.
I was in the Centenary wishing i was back in the Kop for the first time since i moved. Brought a tear to the eye. respect to one and all present even the old duffers in the Main stand who actually stood up a couple of times!!
i was in the main stand and for the first 2 mins the stewards were telling everyone to sit down but no one would so the stood back and paid respect
Respect to Alan Green (BBC radio Five Live) who made a point of explaining on national radio what the Kop were doing and why they were doing it. He also showed his disgust at Kelvin MacKenzie and The S*n (despite the fact that MacKenzie had recently presented a show on Five Live).
Respect also to the fans of Newcastle, Ipswich etc who contacted Five Live’s ‘606’ radio phone-in to show their support and to echo Green’s feelings towards MacKenzie.
Yep, heard that in the car on the way home. He said fans of "a number of other clubs, notably Newcastle and Ipswich" had contacted Five Live to offer their support.
Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’
That was ****ing emotional, ok yeah we got beat, yeah some players let us down. But **** me ive been going to Anfield since 77 and ive never felt passion like the first 6 mins of that game, my throat was dry as **** but we carried on singing. Something i will never forget.
I know its little, but thats David Banner. Just wait untill you see the Incredible Hulk
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