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    Daily Mail - Mascherano deal under spotlight as clubs accuse Premier League of cover-up
    EXCLUSIVE INVESTIGATION By MATT LAWTON 2nd February 2007

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    Three players caught in the storm: the Argentine internationals Carlos Tevez (top) and Javier Mascherano (centre) played for West Ham while Manuel Fernandes did so for Portsmouth

    The Premier League were facing a revolt among their own members last night amid growing suspicion that West Ham and Portsmouth have fielded ineligible players this season.

    Prompted by a private Premier League document obtained by Sportsmail, Wigan and a number of other top flight clubs are now questioning whether the appearances of Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez, for West Ham, and Manuel Fernandes, for Portsmouth, were in breach of Premier League rules.

    Breaking Rule U18 can result in a points reduction because the League will not allow England’s top-flight clubs to sign players who are owned by a "third party" who would have the "ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams".

    While Kia Joorabchian has a 50 per cent stake in Mascherano and Tevez, Fernandes is owned 50-50 by Benfica and a private company called the Global Sports Agency. There could be significant ramifications.

    Clubs currently fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation are prepared to launch legal challenges if they believe they have been unfairly disadvantaged, while at the top end, it could damage Pompey’s European chances.

    Complications have arisen now Mascherano is trying to complete a move to Liverpool and Fernandes has gone on "loan" to Everton.

    When Everton first attempted to secure the services of Fernandes, they informed the Premier League of their wish to sign the player on loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent deal.

    The Premier League refused to authorise the deal because of Everton’s desire to make it permanent, which came as a surprise to the Merseyside club when it was their understanding that the deal between Fernandes and Portsmouth was similar.

    There was a clause in the contract, Sportsmail understands, that stated that Portsmouth would have to sign Fernandes on a permanent deal if he made three successive first-team appearances.

    Everton told the Premier League they would simply demand the points from their game with Portsmouth — a match in which Fernandes played.

    The Premier League responded by asking Everton to re-submit their forms, stating a desire to take Fernandes only on loan even though they were aware of the club’s ambition to sign Fernandes permanently.

    A Premier League meeting last night failed to reach a conclusion in relation to Mascherano. Another meeting will take place today, but even then Liverpool could be left sweating on whether he will be able to move.

    The delay has been caused by a failure to provide the right paperwork and there has been real drama behind the scenes to try to ensure that the deal goes through.

    The Premier League insisted that they were not aware of a breach of their rules. "With what has been presented to us we haven’t allowed anything that would transgress our rules," said a spokesman.

    And they said the documents presented by Portsmouth and West Ham last summer satisfied their rules. What was less clear, however, was when the Premier League received all the necessary documentation.

    Sportsmail has been told that West Ham received a letter from the Premier League warning them they could risk a points deduction if they failed to provide documentation.

    Aware the situation was in danger of escalating, the Premier League moved this week to privately contact the 20 top-flight chairmen.

    The document, from Premier League general secretary Mike Foster, appears to offer an amnesty to clubs that may have broken the rules.

    It reminds clubs of Rule U18 which states: "No Club shall enter into a contract which enables any other party to that contract to acquire the ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams."

    Such contracts include those which allow the third party to control or influence the employment relationship between club and player, or give the third party the right to request or require a transfer of the player, a right to a share of the financial or economic rights.

    But the Premier League then adopts a non-confrontational tone by simply "giving clubs the opportunity" within 14 days of producing details of any such contracts that were not disclosed when players were registered.

    Foster’s letter ends: "Once we have your responses, the board will consider relevant disclosures and then decide on appropriate action, if any."

    The letter, however, has succeeded only in fuelling the suspicion among clubs fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation that a breach has already occurred.



    Does this have rammifications for us?????
    Com ce, com ca.

    #2
    Well we haven't fielded him so we won't be fined. It may throw the deal into jeopardy but then this is from the Mail.
    I live with Steptoe.

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      #3
      It goes some way to explaining the delay.
      Oh I don't know.

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        #4
        Ity does seem to be taking a while for the deal to go through and at this stage it has to something other than just "paper work" that's holding the deal up.
        Babel fanclub member # 4!!!

        **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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          #5
          Originally posted by Mumsafan View Post
          Well we haven't fielded him so we won't be fined. It may throw the deal into jeopardy but then this is from the Mail.
          was in the times and mirror?
          althought one article stated WHU didn't know about this transfer till Tue

          both seem to state that if PL stoped the trasfer or player playing this could be taked to court, stoping someone from working etc.
          Its times like these we learn to live again FF

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            #6
            I bet Eggert Magnusson is kicking himself for buying West Ham
            * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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              #7
              Originally posted by chiccada View Post
              Please close if this has already been discussed.

              Daily Mail - Mascherano deal under spotlight as clubs accuse Premier League of cover-up
              EXCLUSIVE INVESTIGATION By MATT LAWTON 2nd February 2007

              Comments Comments

              Three players caught in the storm: the Argentine internationals Carlos Tevez (top) and Javier Mascherano (centre) played for West Ham while Manuel Fernandes did so for Portsmouth

              The Premier League were facing a revolt among their own members last night amid growing suspicion that West Ham and Portsmouth have fielded ineligible players this season.

              Prompted by petty, speculative, chauvinistic meddling by Red Chilli, Wigan and a number of other top flight clubs are now questioning whether the appearances of Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez, for West Ham, and Manuel Fernandes, for Portsmouth, were in breach of Premier League rules.

              Breaking Rule U18 can result in a points reduction because the League will not allow England’s top-flight clubs to sign players who are owned by a "third party" who would have the "ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams".

              While Kia Joorabchian has a 50 per cent stake in Mascherano and Tevez, Fernandes is owned 50-50 by Benfica and a private company called the Global Sports Agency. There could be significant ramifications.

              Clubs currently fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation are prepared to launch legal challenges if they believe they have been unfairly disadvantaged, while at the top end, it could damage Pompey’s European chances.

              Complications have arisen now Mascherano is trying to complete a move to Liverpool and Fernandes has gone on "loan" to Everton.

              When Everton first attempted to secure the services of Fernandes, they informed the Premier League of their wish to sign the player on loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent deal.

              The Premier League refused to authorise the deal because of Everton’s desire to make it permanent, which came as a surprise to the Merseyside club when it was their understanding that the deal between Fernandes and Portsmouth was similar.

              There was a clause in the contract, Sportsmail understands, that stated that Portsmouth would have to sign Fernandes on a permanent deal if he made three successive first-team appearances.

              Everton told the Premier League they would simply demand the points from their game with Portsmouth — a match in which Fernandes played.

              The Premier League responded by asking Everton to re-submit their forms, stating a desire to take Fernandes only on loan even though they were aware of the club’s ambition to sign Fernandes permanently.

              A Premier League meeting last night failed to reach a conclusion in relation to Mascherano. Another meeting will take place today, but even then Liverpool could be left sweating on whether he will be able to move.

              The delay has been caused by a failure to provide the right paperwork and there has been real drama behind the scenes to try to ensure that the deal goes through.

              The Premier League insisted that they were not aware of a breach of their rules. "With what has been presented to us we haven’t allowed anything that would transgress our rules," said a spokesman.

              And they said the documents presented by Portsmouth and West Ham last summer satisfied their rules. What was less clear, however, was when the Premier League received all the necessary documentation.

              Sportsmail has been told that West Ham received a letter from the Premier League warning them they could risk a points deduction if they failed to provide documentation.

              Aware the situation was in danger of escalating, the Premier League moved this week to privately contact the 20 top-flight chairmen.

              The document, from Premier League general secretary Mike Foster, appears to offer an amnesty to clubs that may have broken the rules.

              It reminds clubs of Rule U18 which states: "No Club shall enter into a contract which enables any other party to that contract to acquire the ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams."

              Such contracts include those which allow the third party to control or influence the employment relationship between club and player, or give the third party the right to request or require a transfer of the player, a right to a share of the financial or economic rights.

              But the Premier League then adopts a non-confrontational tone by simply "giving clubs the opportunity" within 14 days of producing details of any such contracts that were not disclosed when players were registered.

              Foster’s letter ends: "Once we have your responses, the board will consider relevant disclosures and then decide on appropriate action, if any."

              The letter, however, has succeeded only in fuelling the suspicion among clubs fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation that a breach has already occurred.
              And he calls himself a fan - it's a disgrace.
              Last edited by Neil Young; 02-02-07, 12:01 PM.
              .
              Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



              May the Lord bless this post.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                Prompted by petty, speculative, chauvinistic meddling by Red Chilli, Wigan and a number of other top flight clubs are now questioning whether the appearances of Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez, for West Ham, and Manuel Fernandes, for Portsmouth, were in breach of Premier League rules.


                Clearly a lie though, Chilli only hates Argies. He would never have a problem with Fernandes.
                "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                -- William Blake

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by dww View Post


                  Clearly a lie though, Chilli only hates Argies. He would never have a problem with Fernandes.
                  Are you suggesting we can't trust what we read in the Daily Mail?
                  .
                  Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                  May the Lord bless this post.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                    Are you suggesting we can't trust what we read in the Daily Mail?
                    I would never question the integrity of such a fine paper.
                    "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                    -- William Blake

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by kurtangle01 View Post
                      Ity does seem to be taking a while for the deal to go through and at this stage it has to something other than just "paper work" that's holding the deal up.

                      I think it's your signature that's causing all the problems.
                      What have I learned, Mr Mackay? Three things. One - bide your time. Two - keep your nose clean. And three - don't let the *******s grind you down

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Gordy Boy View Post
                        I think it's your signature that's causing all the problems.

                        I think that the sig may prove to be right.
                        Babel fanclub member # 4!!!

                        **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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                          #13
                          Daily Mail - Mascherano deal under spotlight as clubs accuse Premier League of cover-up
                          EXCLUSIVE INVESTIGATION By MATT LAWTON 2nd February 2007

                          Comments Comments

                          Three players caught in the storm: the Argentine internationals Carlos Tevez (top) and Javier Mascherano (centre) played for West Ham while Manuel Fernandes did so for Portsmouth

                          The Premier League were facing a revolt among their own members last night amid growing suspicion that West Ham and Portsmouth have fielded ineligible players this season.

                          Prompted by petty, speculative, chauvinistic meddling by Red Chilli, Wigan and a number of other top flight clubs are now questioning whether the appearances of Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez, for West Ham, and Manuel Fernandes, for Portsmouth, were in breach of Premier League rules.

                          Breaking Rule U18 can result in a points reduction because the League will not allow England’s top-flight clubs to sign players who are owned by a "third party" who would have the "ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams".

                          While Kia Joorabchian has a 50 per cent stake in Mascherano and Tevez, Fernandes is owned 50-50 by Benfica and a private company called the Global Sports Agency. There could be significant ramifications.

                          Clubs currently fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation are prepared to launch legal challenges if they believe they have been unfairly disadvantaged, while at the top end, it could damage Pompey’s European chances.

                          Complications have arisen now Mascherano is trying to complete a move to Liverpool and Fernandes has gone on "loan" to Everton.

                          When Everton first attempted to secure the services of Fernandes, they informed the Premier League of their wish to sign the player on loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent deal.

                          The Premier League refused to authorise the deal because of Everton’s desire to make it permanent, which came as a surprise to the Merseyside club when it was their understanding that the deal between Fernandes and Portsmouth was similar.

                          There was a clause in the contract, Sportsmail understands, that stated that Portsmouth would have to sign Fernandes on a permanent deal if he made three successive first-team appearances.

                          Everton told the Premier League they would simply demand the points from their game with Portsmouth — a match in which Fernandes played.

                          The Premier League responded by asking Everton to re-submit their forms, stating a desire to take Fernandes only on loan even though they were aware of the club’s ambition to sign Fernandes permanently.

                          A Premier League meeting last night failed to reach a conclusion in relation to Mascherano. Another meeting will take place today, but even then Liverpool could be left sweating on whether he will be able to move.

                          The delay has been caused by a failure to provide the right paperwork and there has been real drama behind the scenes to try to ensure that the deal goes through.

                          The Premier League insisted that they were not aware of a breach of their rules. "With what has been presented to us we haven’t allowed anything that would transgress our rules," said a spokesman.

                          And they said the documents presented by Portsmouth and West Ham last summer satisfied their rules. What was less clear, however, was when the Premier League received all the necessary documentation.

                          Sportsmail has been told that West Ham received a letter from the Premier League warning them they could risk a points deduction if they failed to provide documentation.

                          Aware the situation was in danger of escalating, the Premier League moved this week to privately contact the 20 top-flight chairmen.

                          The document, from Premier League general secretary Mike Foster, appears to offer an amnesty to clubs that may have broken the rules.

                          It reminds clubs of Rule U18 which states: "No Club shall enter into a contract which enables any other party to that contract to acquire the ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams."

                          Such contracts include those which allow the third party to control or influence the employment relationship between club and player, or give the third party the right to request or require a transfer of the player, a right to a share of the financial or economic rights.

                          But the Premier League then adopts a non-confrontational tone by simply "giving clubs the opportunity" within 14 days of producing details of any such contracts that were not disclosed when players were registered.

                          Foster’s letter ends: "Once we have your responses, the board will consider relevant disclosures and then decide on appropriate action, if any."

                          The letter, however, has succeeded only in fuelling the suspicion among clubs fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation that a breach has already occurred

                          Red Chilli made this statement via his lawyer: "I want to put it on record that I don't hate Argies and that Neil Young is miserable, old, guardian reading, liberal git."

                          Interesting article, thanks for digging it out.
                          Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                          (1995)
                          "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                            #14
                            wil someone please wake me when all this takeover and mascherano crap is over
                            Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                            'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                            "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                            * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                              #15
                              So how did it end up with the situation that those three weren't registered properly.

                              I can hardly see pompey/WHU fielding a player they KNEW wasn't registered. Sounds like another ****-up by the PL (suprise suprise)
                              The Crushing Machine MKII

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