Interesting situation involving Mascherano. Fresh stuff (i think).

[Red Chilli]

Fergie's bitter

[AFII]

One very important point. Real didn't even ask FIFA if the move could go through. We did.

[Shaggy]

I've just seen that **** Ferguson on the local news, bleating about this. He said "it bemuses me".

Really, Ferguson. This wouldn't have anything to do with you being interested in Mascherano for two years, would it? And we've got him?

It's so funny. The Mancs I know have been raving about Mascherano for YONKS, all on the assumption that they'd end up signing him. All clamouring for the Scum to sign him cos 'he's a fookin' class act'.

Now, "he's ****".

[Diego]

One very important point. Real didn't even ask FIFA if the move could go through. We did.

did real try to sign him as well?

[Red Chilli]

I bet the SCUM have put in a complaint.

[Johnny]

Fergie on Sky News.

Slur Alex was just on Sky news complaining about Mascherano signing for us.He complained that FIFA should stick to their rules and not allow a player to play for 3 teams in one season.He commented that maybe it was something to do with the Brazilian league starting time but it still wasn`t right that Fifa changed the rule for Mascherano.


He just can`t help but complain.He must be getting worried that we are improving our team every season.





Editidn`t see the another thread on Fergie,Sorry.

[Redlife]

the League will not allow England’s top-flight clubs to sign players who are owned by a "third party" who would have the "ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams".

Presumably the problem is that it could be argued that the consortium who part own Mascherano and Tevez was in a position to influence West Ham's policies (because of the players seemed to have been offered as a 'sweetener' to a takeover), but it won't ave any influence over us.

[AFII]

did real try to sign him as well?

Not Mascherano. They wanted Oliviera but they didn't thought that they could get him because of the three clubs but you can only play for two rule, so they didn't botter to take their case to FIFA.

[shelly]

Not Mascherano. They wanted Oliviera but they didn't thought that they could get him because of the three clubs but you can only play for two rule, so they didn't botter to take their case to FIFA.

Not sure Milan was all that keen on this anyway, which may have dampened Real's enthusiasm.

Milan aren't exactly full of strikers right now. Ronaldo is cuptied for Europe. Gilardino looked like he might have been out for a while ( which turned out to be ok) and now pippo is injured. Plus Boriello has been suspended for failing a drug test.


Anyways, back to topic re Maschereno...
I don't see why we would have to suffer for PL's mistake... PL is just being annoying IMO...
And I get the feeling the other clubs are trying to get Hammers and Pompey in trouble to improve their own league position - that's just plain dirty!

[AFII]

The Premier League were facing a revolt among their own members last night amid growing suspicion that West Ham and Portsmouth have fielded ineligible players this season.

Prompted by a private Premier League document obtained by Sportsmail, Wigan and a number of other top flight clubs are now questioning whether the appearances of Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez, for West Ham, and Manuel Fernandes, for Portsmouth, were in breach of Premier League rules.

Breaking Rule U18 can result in a points reduction because the League will not allow England’s top-flight clubs to sign players who are owned by a "third party" who would have the "ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams".

While Kia Joorabchian has a 50 per cent stake in Mascherano and Tevez, Fernandes is owned 50-50 by Benfica and a private company called the Global Sports Agency. There could be significant ramifications.

Clubs currently fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation are prepared to launch legal challenges if they believe they have been unfairly disadvantaged, while at the top end, it could damage Pompey’s European chances.

Complications have arisen now Mascherano is trying to complete a move to Liverpool and Fernandes has gone on "loan" to Everton.

When Everton first attempted to secure the services of Fernandes, they informed the Premier League of their wish to sign the player on loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent deal.

The Premier League refused to authorise the deal because of Everton’s desire to make it permanent, which came as a surprise to the Merseyside club when it was their understanding that the deal between Fernandes and Portsmouth was similar.

There was a clause in the contract, Sportsmail understands, that stated that Portsmouth would have to sign Fernandes on a permanent deal if he made three successive first-team appearances.

Everton told the Premier League they would simply demand the points from their game with Portsmouth — a match in which Fernandes played.

The Premier League responded by asking Everton to re-submit their forms, stating a desire to take Fernandes only on loan even though they were aware of the club’s ambition to sign Fernandes permanently.

A Premier League meeting last night failed to reach a conclusion in relation to Mascherano. Another meeting will take place today, but even then Liverpool could be left sweating on whether he will be able to move.

The delay has been caused by a failure to provide the right paperwork and there has been real drama behind the scenes to try to ensure that the deal goes through.

The Premier League insisted that they were not aware of a breach of their rules. "With what has been presented to us we haven’t allowed anything that would transgress our rules," said a spokesman.

And they said the documents presented by Portsmouth and West Ham last summer satisfied their rules. What was less clear, however, was when the Premier League received all the necessary documentation.

Sportsmail has been told that West Ham received a letter from the Premier League warning them they could risk a points deduction if they failed to provide documentation.

Aware the situation was in danger of escalating, the Premier League moved this week to privately contact the 20 top-flight chairmen.

The document, from Premier League general secretary Mike Foster, appears to offer an amnesty to clubs that may have broken the rules.

It reminds clubs of Rule U18 which states: "No Club shall enter into a contract which enables any other party to that contract to acquire the ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams."

Such contracts include those which allow the third party to control or influence the employment relationship between club and player, or give the third party the right to request or require a transfer of the player, a right to a share of the financial or economic rights.

But the Premier League then adopts a non-confrontational tone by simply "giving clubs the opportunity" within 14 days of producing details of any such contracts that were not disclosed when players were registered.

Foster’s letter ends: "Once we have your responses, the board will consider relevant disclosures and then decide on appropriate action, if any."

The letter, however, has succeeded only in fuelling the suspicion among clubs fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation that a breach has already occurred.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1779

[Morph]

one thing I don't get about this is that the PL were happy enough to sanction the Mascherano move to West Ham, so how could they then say actually you broke the rules we're docking you points, sorry we missed it at the time. Ain't gonna happen really is it?

So in the same breath how can they stop his move to us if west ham have done something wrong but the PL okayed it? Think they've realised they've cocked up here but they can't find a suitable solution without making themselves look stupid, so I expect this to go through in the next few days, wether rules have been broken or not.