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    #76
    Originally posted by Phil Eel View Post
    so, back to topic.

    Rafa has had 3 seasons in the EPL. He has done fantastically in Europe and quite well in the league. He hasn't had as much money to spend as Houllier, who did neglect the youth / academy set-up, something which Rafa and his regime are trying to put right.

    I feel that the problem is two fold. Firstly, we are still developing the 'strength in depth' that Chelski and Man Ure possess. Secondly, we cannot spend £20+ million on a player who can 'make the difference' and score a goal when it's needed, the way that the Mancs and Chavs can. Respect to Wenger in this - he bought Hentry on the cheap and has brought young players through very effectively - but how long has he been at Arsenal now and who - us or them - have been more successful ?

    Give Rafa a chance - particularly as it now appears we can genuinely compete in the transfer market next year


    The Mancs and the Arse both now generate an extra £1m profit every home match apparently which means they can buy a £20m player every season from Harrods whilst we shop at Netto. Chelsea have made their own rules up in recent years but let's hope Mrs Abramovich demands Drogba and Terry as part of the settlement...
    There is a light that never goes out. RIP Alan "Mally" Johnston and the 96. YNWA.

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      #77
      This thread is missing this image

      Last edited by Red Chilli; 19-03-07, 01:45 AM.
      Originally posted by Gordon Brown
      (1995)
      "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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        #78
        Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
        ...
        Couldn't have put it better myself, Red Chilli...
        There is a light that never goes out. RIP Alan "Mally" Johnston and the 96. YNWA.

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          #79
          Originally posted by rushscored4 View Post
          Couldn't have put it better myself, Red Chilli...
          Just needed time to put the image in an acceptable format
          Originally posted by Gordon Brown
          (1995)
          "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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            #80
            Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
            Just needed time to put the image in an acceptable format
            Well I thought you were 'spot on'...
            There is a light that never goes out. RIP Alan "Mally" Johnston and the 96. YNWA.

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              #81
              Sorry AA this is nonsense. Last season we had a record haul of points in the premiership and Rafa's record over his first hundred games is only bettered by Kenny D.

              The material facts are, that we're operating at significantly smaller budgets than Chelski and ManU, and that ManU and Arsenal earn a whopping 1 million more every home game than we do.

              In terms of available assets to challange for the league you should be comparing Rafa to Wenger, and when you do so he comes out very well indeed. We're more or less equal to Arsenal in terms of league record during this period, and that's without Rafa being able to operate over the extended time-period that wenger has, in terms of moulding his team and bringing through young players. Of course during this time we've been a hugely more successful club than arsenal anyhow ("it's easy to win the champions league" (C)Arsene Wenger 2005.)

              Which ever way to choose to spin it Rafa's record isn't "poor" league or otherwise.
              Last edited by Tom; 19-03-07, 08:36 AM.

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                #82
                Originally posted by Tom View Post
                Sorry AA this is nonsense. Last season we had a record haul of points in the premiership and Rafa's record over his first hundred games is only bettered by Kenny D.

                The material facts are, that we're operating at significantly smaller budgets than Chelski and ManU, and that ManU and Arsenal earn a whopping 1 million more every home game than we do.

                In terms of available assets to challange for the league you should be comparing Rafa to Wenger, and when you do so he comes out very well indeed. We're more or less equal to Arsenal in terms of league record during this period, and that's without Rafa being able to operate over the extended time-period that wenger has, in terms of moulding his team and bringing through young players. Of course during this time we've been a hugely more successful club than arsenal anyhow ("it's easy to win the champions league" (C)Arsene Wenger 2005.)

                Which ever way to choose to spin it Rafa's record isn't "poor" league or otherwise.
                Rafa's been backed heavily in the transfer market, dont get sucked in by his 'I've had no money to spend' media nonsense, he's spent 80 million inside three years, that's more than Man Utd in the same period.

                Besides, if he rates Pennant at 6m, Kuyt at 10m and thinks there is any value whatsoever in bringing in players like Zenden or Aurelio, would you trust him with a massive transfer budget ? I'm not so sure.

                To be honest, I think Rafa needs to change his style of football and get back to basics.

                We'll never win the league playing the one dimensional, negative ****e we've witnessed for most of the season.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
                  Rafa's been backed heavily in the transfer market, dont get sucked in by his 'I've had no money to spend' media nonsense, he's spent 80 million inside three years, that's more than Man Utd in the same period.
                  And half of that was paid for through sales, so more like 40 million, spread over 4 years equates to a leg and a half of a wayne Rooney....
                  you're very selective in your use of statistics, I've pointed this out to you.


                  Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
                  Besides, if he rates Pennant at 6m, Kuyt at 10m and thinks there is any value whatsoever in bringing in players like Zenden or Aurelio, would you trust him with a massive transfer budget ? I'm not so sure.
                  Judging players on 3/4 of a season's performance is a bit low. Anyhow, Kuyt has been pretty good for us this season.

                  Lets also not forget that he's bought in Agger, Alonso, Sissoko.

                  Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
                  To be honest, I think Rafa needs to change his style of football and get back to basics.
                  Sounds good, but what does it actually mean? Last person who regularily used this phrase was erm...John Major.

                  Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
                  We'll never win the league playing the one dimensional, negative ****e we've witnessed for most of the season.
                  Similar to Chelsea you mean?

                  We won't win the league without significant investment. Hopefully this problem has be rectified.

                  What do you think Ronaldo (diver version) would have bought to our side? Utd blew us out of the water in the transfer market for that player (see also Joe cole, SWP, Essien, Robben at chelsea..all players we were in for).

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
                    Rafa's been backed heavily in the transfer market, dont get sucked in by his 'I've had no money to spend' media nonsense, he's spent 80 million inside three years, that's more than Man Utd in the same period.

                    Besides, if he rates Pennant at 6m, Kuyt at 10m and thinks there is any value whatsoever in bringing in players like Zenden or Aurelio, would you trust him with a massive transfer budget ? I'm not so sure.

                    To be honest, I think Rafa needs to change his style of football and get back to basics.

                    We'll never win the league playing the one dimensional, negative ****e we've witnessed for most of the season.
                    You were actually not doing to bad till you came out with that statement in that post.
                    You think Rafa, a man who many think the best technically gifted manager in the world when it comes to tactics, should change what has got him this far and start all over again?.
                    Sorry AA but thats absolute nonsense IMO, how anyone can say such a thing is beyond me. I understand that epople are frustrated at the lack of chances converted by the team etc, but IMO that largely got to do with the quality of player we have, every transfer brings its own element of risk, it seems we have had to operate with more risk than we would have liked due to financial pressure, sure we got some of Rafa no. 1 targets like alonso and Kuyt, but we still missed out on the likes of Simao, Alves and Figo in the past becasue of our financial situation. not to mention not being in for others because we cant afford them.
                    If Rafa is given sufficient funds in the summer, which im sure he will get, I think it will be fair to judge him at the end of next season rather than now, after all, he aint done too bad has he as far as trophies are concerned?. Some people even see us as favourites to lift this seasons European Cup, not bad for a manager who needs a rethink of his tactics, especially after we dumped out the alleged best club team in the world.
                    Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                    'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                    "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                    * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                      #85
                      It's the same every time we lose or draw a game RS4. Worse than KT on here.
                      Quote of the year :

                      "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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                        #86
                        Why do some people confuse criticism with "not getting behind the team"? What would some people prefer? Shall we all pretend Sissoko, Kuyt et al had another fantastic game?
                        Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                          Why do some people confuse criticism with "not getting behind the team"? What would some people prefer? Shall we all pretend Sissoko, Kuyt et al had another fantastic game?
                          There's criticism, and then there's making massive sweeping statements about players based on a bad performance.

                          There's a world of difference between

                          "We were **** today, didn't come out of the blocks, kept giving the ball away and didn't create any chances"

                          and

                          Picking on individual players.

                          Honestly, you should contrast the stuff said about Sissoko and Kuyt (for example) after Barcelona games and after Man U/Villa. It's laughable how fickle people.
                          Quote of the year :

                          "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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                            #88
                            Well I've seen about 8 of yesterday's starting XI get slated, as well as the manager. To me that's not "picking on individual players". It's giving criticism where it is due.

                            "A" bad performance you say. Well, pardon me for caring, but bad performances against Newcastle, Scum and Everton are still fresh in the memory and we haven't scored a ****ing goal since we beat Sheffield United.

                            If a Liverpool side twenty odd points off the pace, AGAIN, can't be open to criticism then I don't know what can.
                            Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                              #89
                              I thought we were excellent against Man Utd - perhaps you're having selective memory.
                              Quote of the year :

                              "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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                                #90
                                I genuinely cant believe how some fans are so forgiving.

                                Football has changed over the last 10-15 years, it's not a patient game anymore, no wonder we haven't won a title for so long.

                                Sentimentalism and complacency have cost us dear in the past decade, I hope to God these Yanks are more ruthless than Parry and Moores.

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