Makes me chuckle...

[Red Chilli]

Of course you cant be bothered - because your argument doesnt have a leg to stand on. Ronaldo's was a dive, but Gerrard was cynically hacked down - sure thing. That's our story and we'll stick with it, eh?

Keep your blinkered red-tinted specs on, it's your call.

I prefer to try and be more objective.

Objective? :whatever:

So your comment "a baby could've made more aggressive contact" is objective is it?

Good one :whatever:

[Craig_H]

Every Manc I know has it etched in their memory and they rarely let me forget, but in the main it seemed to be largely overlooked by almost everybody.

It was a total dive.

I've actually seen video footage of it from an angle whereby there seems to be evidence of Gattuso's foot catching Gerrard's.

I dont personally label that one as a dive. He was running at pace, and there was contact, which can bring someone down against their will - he would've hammered it home had he stayed on his feet. I cant fathom that he'd choose to dive, rather than score, which he undoubtedly would've done if he hadnt gone down.

On that occasion, i dont think SG was guilty of diving.

[Craig_H]

Objective? :whatever:

So your comment "a baby could've made more aggressive contact" is objective is it?

Good one :whatever:

That was a figure of speech, to indicate how minimal the 'contact' was from the Sheff Utd player, as you know.

But no, you carry on - LFC players are saints and would never do anything wrong, ever ever ever...

I do like your "******" smilies though, they really do prove your point beyond any doubt. Just keep posting them, dont worry about text.

[Marky]

Not everyone is like that, some people have the nous to call a spade a spade.

And with regards to what you describe, sure everyone tries to stick up for their own. But there comes a point where the inicident is so obvious that you cant really. And yet, some still do. It's cringeworthy IMO.

Yeah and i'm one of those people that calls it like it is, no matter who the player is or who he plays for.
All i'm saying is, it's not just people on this form that defend there player no matter, it goes on in every forum/phone in or whatever for every club around.

[Craig_H]

So you don't think the fact that Gerrard blatantly pointed the contact out to the ref before the actual final contact has any bearing on the matter?
Why did the defender put his arm out?
Answer: To impede Gerrard's run.
Result: A foul in the penalty area

So any contact is a foul then?

You do make me laugh. The defender's contact wasnt what made Gerrard go down. He chose to do that of his own free will.

[Dhav]

i've also thought this, and it you watch one of the videos where he describes it ( its the sports personality one with dudek and cara talking too)

he says "i felt a pull, and thought, i'm going, i'm going down"

dodgy as fook

Indeed, it looked extremely dodgy.

Strange comments though as I remember reading the famous goalie on YNWA saying Stevie was gutted to be brought down because he was certain he would have scored

[Red Chilli]

Can't you see DJ there is more than one reason why Ronaldo has been slaughtered in that thread?

The first and most important reason is he is a filthy scum sucking manc *******.
The second reason is he has a history of simulation and cheating which is longer than most players. Not to mention the way he got Wayne Rooney sent off in the World Cup.

Can't you see that he has brought the criticism on himslef and it's more than just a Manc-hatred thing?

[Craig_H]

Yeah and i'm one of those people that calls it like it is, no matter who the player is or who he plays for.
All i'm saying is, it's not just people on this form that defend there player no matter, it goes on in every forum/phone in or whatever for every club around.

I know that marky. But seeing as i post on this forum more than most, i posted it on here

[Red_hot]

i actually think gerrard looks for penos all the time

[Marky]

One of the biggest mysteries for me is just how much of a pen it was in Istanbul for Xabi's goal.

Sorry, doesnt have much to do with anything, just something I've wondered.

That WAS a penalty imho. Gerrard was going full pelt and Gattuso clearly had his arm around Gerrard's waist, more than enough contact to go down.
Definite pen.

[Red Chilli]

So any contact is a foul then?

You do make me laugh. The defender's contact wasnt what made Gerrard go down. He chose to do that of his own free will.

You'd better re-read the rules mate

Grabbing a players shirt, impeding a players run are both fouls

[Shaggy]

I've actually seen video footage of it from an angle whereby there seems to be evidence of Gattuso's foot catching Gerrard's.

I dont personally label that one as a dive. He was running at pace, and there was contact, which can bring someone down against their will - he would've hammered it home had he stayed on his feet. I cant fathom that he'd choose to dive, rather than score, which he undoubtedly would've done if he hadnt gone down.

On that occasion, i dont think SG was guilty of diving.

Fair enough, each to their own. I see where you're coming from. I see it as Gerrard "choosing" to go down. Whatever contact there may have been (minimal at best), I didn't see it as being anywhere near enough to bring him down naturally.

When I played football regularly you were either knocked down or you weren't. Contact in the box didn't automatically equal a penalty. I don't see where this ludicrous, and suddenly very popular notion has come from. It's a contact sport. A tap on the leg doesn't justify going down and nor does it justify the award of a penalty.

Anyway, I can't talk. I dived in the Sunday leagues. Not perpetually, but I took a few dives in the last minute of games that we were either losing by one goal or drawing. I probably did that five or six times - genuine dives - and each time I won the spot kick. I remember one time actually catching my skipper smirking at me - knowing what I'd done - and I smirked back. The centre half who "fouled me" saw us and he went ****ing ballistic.

[Red_hot]

Objective? :whatever:

So your comment "a baby could've made more aggressive contact" is objective is it?

Good one :whatever:

Gerrard blatantly looked for that penalty. Don't be so blinkered.

[Craig_H]

Can't you see DJ there is more than one reason why Ronaldo has been slaughtered in that thread?

The first and most important reason is he is a filthy scum sucking manc *******.
The second reason is he has a history of simulation and cheating which is longer than most players. Not to mention the way he got Wayne Rooney sent off in the World Cup.

Can't you see that he has brought the criticism on himslef and it's more than just a Manc-hatred thing?

He's brought certain amounts of criticism on himself, yes.

But it's more than just a manc-hatred thing, you say?

Ahem:

"The first and most important reason is he is a filthy scum sucking manc *******."

You come across as someone who cant see past the fact that a player plays for them, so that automatically influences your judgement. I like to think i'm not like that, but each to their own.

I'm referring to ONE incident with Ronaldo, and ONE with Gerrard.

Just because Ronaldo has dived before, doesnt make every incident involving him a 'dive'.

And just because Gerrard isnt known for diving (but the way things are going, that'll come soon enough) doesnt mean every incident involving him was a legit foul on him.

Anyway, i thought you couldnt be arsed?

[Red Chilli]

You're just playing the wind-up merchant tactic again DJS. It's not big or clever.