What are your thoughts on a terraced Kop in the new ground?

[anfieldanfield]

Actually the whole stadium stood, with maybe the exception of the Paddock

Well that pretty much blows Chilli's theory that 'all seater stadiums can still make great atmosphere's' into dust then.

They only create good atmospheres when people stand.

[Red Chilli]

Anyone that thinks we can go back to standing as it used to be is a moron. It is perfectly feasible there might be much safer ways of having organised standing areas, where each person has their own separate space. But there's never going to be a return to the old style terraces, that would be ****ing stupid.

I think any terracing is a backward step in safety. Whatever you do it will never be as safe as an all seater. So why would clubs spend more money on making their stadium less safe?

[Mumsafan]

Well that pretty much blows Chilli's theory that 'all seater stadiums can still make great atmosphere's' into dust then.

They only create good atmospheres when people stand.

But they remain all seater.

[anfieldanfield]

Anyone that thinks we can go back to standing as it used to be is a moron. It is perfectly feasible there might be much safer ways of having organised standing areas, where each person has their own separate space. But there's never going to be a return to the old style terraces, that would be ****ing stupid.

Goes without saying Polo.

Once again I would refer people to the photo I posted ? How can that possibly be deemed dangerous ?

[Red Chilli]

Well that pretty much blows Chilli's theory that 'all seater stadiums can still make great atmosphere's' into dust then.

It doesn't AA.

Please think before you reply to this post. Was that an al seater stadium?

Answer: Yes.

So what was the problem with the atmosphere?

Answer: there wasn't one.

[Mumsafan]

Goes without saying Polo.

Once again I would refer people to the photo I posted ? How can that possibly be deemed dangerous ?

Thing is all the stadiums like the one you posted are not in this country. A lot of them are in Germany where the average fan is a lot more sensible and considerably less drunk than our fans

[Red Chilli]

Anyway, this whole discussion is totally hypothetical.

It'll never happen in this country. It's like saying cars are much safer than they were when we brought in the seat belt laws so maybe we should change the law.

[dom9]

I bet most of the people advocating the reintroduction of standing probably haven't actually done it, as it was, pre Hillsbrough etc.

I never stood on the Kop pre Hillsborough, but I did at a few other grounds.

I never felt unsafe at the time. I go to quite a few gigs though, and there have been one or two of those where I was convinced that I wouldn't come out alive, manily due to crushing.

It is strange that standing (and kicking the **** out of each other) at concerts is acceptable, but standing at football games is not.

Remember, quite a few people died watching Pearl Jam at Roskilde of few years ago. People have also died at Donnington watching bands too.

Like I said earlier, I still don't know about how I feel about terraces at football grounds now.

[anfieldanfield]

Anyway, this whole discussion is totally hypothetical.

It'll never happen in this country. It's like saying cars are much safer than they were when we brought in the seat belt laws so maybe we should change the law.

That's the worst comparison I've ever heard.

Not wearing a seatbelt is intrinsically unsafe. Standing at a football match isn't.

[Mumsafan]

I never stood on the Kop pre Hillsborough, but I did at a few other grounds.

I never felt unsafe at the time. I go to quite a few gigs though, and there have been one or two of those where I was convinced that I wouldn't come out alive, manily due to crushing.

It is strange that standing (and kicking the **** out of each other) at concerts is acceptable, but standing at football games is not.

Remember, quite a few people died watching Pearl Jam at Roskilde of few years ago. People have also died at Donnington watching bands too.

Like I said earlier, I still don't know about how I feel about terraces at football grounds now.

I don't remember it fondly at all. Especially at lower league grounds - I remember Northampton Town at Abington Avenue - No one could ever see anything - I'm constantly surprised that there has only really been one major disaster thru crowd crushing in this country.

[Red_Polo]

I think any terracing is a backward step in safety.

Look at that pic AA posted and tell me why you think it's less safe than standing in a seating area. I can't see it at all. It's safer as far as I can see, because it actually deals with the fact that people will stand rather than just ignoring it bar an announcement over the PA system. Maybe it is safer, maybe it's not, but I think it at least warrants looking at.

[Mumsafan]

That's the worst comparison I've ever heard.

Not wearing a seatbelt is intrinsically unsafe.

It's amazing how many ****s still do it though

[Red Chilli]

That's the worst comparison I've ever heard.

Not wearing a seatbelt is intrinsically unsafe. Standing at a football match isn't.

Really?

And your expertease in this subject consists of what? Looking at a picture on the internet?

Why do you think it's against the law then AA? Is i because they want to spoil our fun?

I prefer to go with the experts thanks

[Red_Polo]

Which experts are they then?

[Red Chilli]

Look at that pic AA posted and tell me why you think it's less safe than standing in a seating area. I can't see it at all. It's safer as far as I can see, because it actually deals with the fact that people will stand rather than just ignoring it bar an announcement over the PA system. Maybe it is safer, maybe it's not, but I think it at least warrants looking at.

RP, you're not supposed to stand at a match. As far as the club's legal requirement goes they are fulfilling it. If someone gets injured, that's their fault.
If they introduce a terraced area and someone gets injured, do you think the club will be able to justify by saying, well it looks safe in a photograph of a german stadium.

My point is, like seat belts, we will never go back, you can never justify it.

And why do we need it?

In the right circumstances, an all seater stadium can provide a great atmosphere but as Mumsafan pointed out, if the team's playing **** football the atmosphere will be **** whatever position you are in.