"Supporter" banned for racism

[wavydavy]

Did you all see the Baros incident recently where he held his nose and wafted his hand (a bit like Razor did to a Strasbourg player a few years ago) at an opposing BLACK player. Press were all over him calling him racist etc. It was assumed, wrongly in my view, that this gesture was something to do with the guy being African etc.

[Red_Polo]

Did you all see the Baros incident recently where he held his nose and wafted his hand (a bit like Razor did to a Strasbourg player a few years ago) at an opposing BLACK player. Press were all over him calling him racist etc. It was assumed, wrongly in my view, that this gesture was something to do with the guy being African etc.

Just seen the vid of it now (see AA's post above)

How ridiculous is that?! He's just taking the piss out of the guy reeking!

[Mumsafan]

Some poeple do take things too far. I can remember comeone starting a thread back on KT saying folk didn't like Diouf or Cisse because they were black, and nothing to do with their ****e footballing ability

[Red_Polo]

Some poeple do take things too far. I can remember comeone starting a thread back on KT saying folk didn't like Diouf or Cisse because they were black, and nothing to do with their ****e footballing ability

There was one on here I think about Pennant

[DannyMan2006]

Thought I'd mention that if anyone of you people who posted on this thread had chanted the words they mentioned they would have been guilty of Racialist chanting.

Football (Offences) Act 1991 (c. 19)

This act was amended in 1999 so that chanting could also be a person on there own.


3.—(1) It is an offence to take part at a designated football match in chanting of an indecent or racialist nature.

(2) For this purpose—
(a) "chanting" means the repeated uttering of any words or sounds in concert with one or more others; and
(b) "of a racialist nature" means consisting of or including matter which is threatening, abusive or insulting to a person by reason of his colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

The stuff in bold could include anything you can think off. For instance I could call someone a **** and this would not be in this law, but if I was to call someone an English **** and chanted this a few times I would be guilty of this offence. So wheteher I called someone a black *******, white prick, brown twit, french frog, brazilian *******, welsh sheep shagger, scottish sod, or whatever, if I chanted this a few times, I would be guilty of this offence.

So watch what you say. Everyone will knock the opposition, but be aware that you could be commiting an offence when you do this.

[Kaip]

I always call giggs a " ****ing english kunt "

[DannyMan2006]

I always call giggs a " ****ing english kunt "

As this would mean he was being elevated to being a better member of society I can't see how anyone would find this in anyway derogatory.

[Red_hot]

Racialist!

[rushscored4]

What about the Mancs who spend every match singing about scousers regardless of who they're playing?

Imagine if they sang songs like "Gary Neville is a Red, he hates pakis..." or "build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put the niggers on the top..."? Everybody would be quite rightly outraged but nobody says a word when they sing offensive songs about scousers...

[DannyMan2006]

What about the Mancs who spend every match singing about scousers regardless of who they're playing?

Imagine if they sang songs like "Gary Neville is a Red, he hates pakis..." or "build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put the niggers on the top..."? Everybody would be quite rightly outraged but nobody says a word when they sing offensive songs about scousers...

Well if you complained the police would have a duty to investigate this. In general though, the stewards don't tend to pick on a large group, from what I've seen. One guy on his own is a bit easier to enforce.

[Neil Young]

Of course there will always be controversy over marginal decisions and we can always think of examples that lie just one side or the other of AnfieldDanfield's "fine line".

The point is that this kind of action is rarely taken at the margins and usually applies to people who (it is alleged) have been shouting something that is not at the margin of acceptability (whether through custom or principle). In short, it's a good thing he's been sent down - regardless of whether Mancs sing negative/discriminatory/bigoted songs about Scousers.

[rushscored4]

Well if you complained the police would have a duty to investigate this. In general though, the stewards don't tend to pick on a large group, from what I've seen. One guy on his own is a bit easier to enforce.

What's the point of me complaining when the Mancs are playing Middlesborough?

I don't condone racism of any type but the double standards in football really anger me. "Let's Kick Racism Out Of Football" is right but what about the abuse that Man United fans have got away with for ****ing years... :whatever:

...and by the way, I know our fans aren't perfect but on the odd occasion when we sing songs that aren't about LFC at least they're about another team not their fans, e.g. "we hate Nottingham Forest..." or "**** off Chelsea FC..."

[DannyMan2006]

Of course there will always be controversy over marginal decisions and we can always think of examples that lie just one side or the other of AnfieldDanfield's "fine line".

The point is that this kind of action is rarely taken at the margins and usually applies to people who (it is alleged) have been shouting something that is not at the margin of acceptability (whether through custom or principle). In short, it's a good thing he's been sent down - regardless of whether Mancs sing negative/discriminatory/bigoted songs about Scousers.

There is no fine line, you are guilty or you are not. The offence is pretty straightforward to understand. There is no lesser or higher in this offence. What matters is what stewards are working and who is at the match in the crowd. If everyone in the crowd hates Ronaldo there wont be any complaints if someone starts chanting that he's a portugease ******.

If on the other hand, everyone in the crowd bar one is portugease, and that one guy started chanting its odds on that he would get nicked. However the offence is still the same in both cases.

I see your point though.

[Neil Young]

There is no fine line, you are guilty or you are not. The offence is pretty straightforward to understand. There is no lesser or higher in this offence. What matters is what stewards are working and who is at the match in the crowd. If everyone in the crowd hates Ronaldo there wont be any complaints if someone starts chanting that he's a portugease ******.

If on the other hand, everyone in the crowd bar one is portugease, and that one guy started chanting its odds on that he would get nicked. However the offence is still the same in both cases.

I see your point though.

What about if someone shouted that he was a Portuguese idiot?

I take your point too.

[DannyMan2006]

What about if someone shouted that he was a Portuguese idiot?

I take your point too.

Same offence (as long as they chanted it) its seen as derogatory and Racialist, calling him an idiot would not constitute this an offence, adding the reference to his origins does.

Its like you said really if people accept this then nothing will happen, if people complained then thats where the problems start. I would suggest that the man arrested probably said more than that though, but the like I said, you tread a thin line when you say something akin to the above.