Reina better than Clemence

[AFII]

What record does Pepe Reina now hold that is better than the likes of Ray Clemence and Bruce Grobbelaar? We can reveal that the Spanish stopper has the best post-war record of clean sheets in his first 100 starts.
Reina, who played his 100th game for Liverpool against Wigan Athletic on Saturday, has kept 55 clean sheets. Clemence kept 51 clean sheets in his first 100 starts for Liverpool, Grobbelaar has 50 while Istanbul hero Jerzy Dudek had 45 shut outs in his first 100 starts.

With thanks to Liverpool FC's official statistician Ged Rea here is the clean sheets record for goalkeepers in their first 100 starts for the club since the 1960's for Liverpool.

1, Pepe Reina. 55 clean sheets.

2. Ray Clemence. 51 clean sheets.

3. Bruce Grobbelaar. 50 clean sheets.

4. Jerzy Dudek. 45 clean sheets.

5. Sander Westerveld. 42 clean sheets.

6. David James. 36 clean sheets.

7. Tommy Lawrence. 28 clean sheets.


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drill...70423-1119.htm

[Rhys]

bit of a big statement to make two seasons into his anfield career.

i wasnt around to see clemence play but im sure clemence was the better goalkeeper.

i mean 5 league titiles, 3 european cups, 1 FA cup. record speaks for itself.

[Angry Dan]

bit of a big statement to make two seasons into his anfield career.

i wasnt around to see clemence play but im sure clemence was the better goalkeeper.

i mean 5 league titiles, 3 european cups, 1 FA cup. record speaks for itself.

He had a better team in front of him then tho.

[bazza76]

i think the defence is better now than it was then, this has helped Reina.

[Rhys]

He had a better team in front of him then tho.

so your saying reina is better than clemence based on him having a few more clean sheets.

the two are incomparable really as todays training and diets make players fitter than they used to be, but based on the past i cant see reina emulating clemence's success.

[Lecter]

i think the defence is better now than it was then, this has helped Reina.

No chance

The 79 back four is probably the best back four we have ever had

They only conceeded 16 league goals all season and 3 or 4 of them were after we had won the league

Reina is a great keeper the best we have had since Grobbelaar, yes the defence helps him but his record was great at Villarreal also

Not better than Clemence though certainly not imo

[Reece]

No chance

The 79 back four is probably the best back four we have ever had

They only conceeded 16 league goals all season and 3 or 4 of them were after we had won the league

Reina is a great keeper the best we have had since Grobbelaar, yes the defence helps him but his record was great at Villarreal also

Not better than Clemence though certainly not imo

Is Reina better than Elisha Scott Lec? You probably saw him play plenty of times in your youth.

[bazza76]

No chance

The 79 back four is probably the best back four we have ever had

They only conceeded 16 league goals all season and 3 or 4 of them were after we had won the league

Reina is a great keeper the best we have had since Grobbelaar, yes the defence helps him but his record was great at Villarreal also

Not better than Clemence though certainly not imo

Well personally, I can't remember watching the team back then, was too young.
But I would have thought that the reasons we leaked goals was down to different things.
Rafa's approach now for example I would have thought would be more cautious than back then. As the two consecutive clean sheet runs prove.
Where as I would have thought, much like Man U today, the attack was much better in 79 with this helping to keep the pressure off the defence. you could argue that is defending too, but you know what i mean.

[memzey]

No chance

The 79 back four is probably the best back four we have ever had

They only conceeded 16 league goals all season and 3 or 4 of them were after we had won the league

Reina is a great keeper the best we have had since Grobbelaar, yes the defence helps him but his record was great at Villarreal also

Not better than Clemence though certainly not imo

My thoughts exactly

I think I basically said the same thing in another thread last week. Pepe is the best keeper we have had since Clem IMHO, and gives the bak four and whole team bags of confidence. He's also partly responsible for our improved defence as he sweeps up behind the back four better than any keeper I can think of, allowing the defence and the rest of the team to play 10 yards further up the field.

Top player, top signing. Well in Rafa

[Lecter]

Well personally, I can't remember watching the team back then, was too young.
But I would have thought that the reasons we leaked goals was down to different things.
Rafa's approach now for example I would have thought would be more cautious than back then. As the two consecutive clean sheet runs prove.
Where as I would have thought, much like Man U today, the attack was much better in 79 with this helping to keep the pressure off the defence. you could argue that is defending too, but you know what i mean.

There is a lot of mythology about how our great teams played in the 70's and early 80's

We were always a cautious side who didnt give anything away, we use to bore teams to death at times (passing it round the back). The game plan was stymie the opposition, quieten the crowd then dominate them

Our forward play was better than it is today but the only all out attacking side we had was the Barnes / Beardsley team of the late 80's

Rafa's system and beliefs are not too different from Shanklys & Paisleys IMO

[Lecter]

Is Reina better than Elisha Scott Lec? You probably saw him play plenty of times in your youth.

[Spionkop69]

No chance

The 79 back four is probably the best back four we have ever had

They only conceeded 16 league goals all season and 3 or 4 of them were after we had won the league

Reina is a great keeper the best we have had since Grobbelaar, yes the defence helps him but his record was great at Villarreal also

Not better than Clemence though certainly not imo

100% agreement.

[Spionkop69]

Well personally, I can't remember watching the team back then, was too young.
But I would have thought that the reasons we leaked goals was down to different things.
Rafa's approach now for example I would have thought would be more cautious than back then. As the two consecutive clean sheet runs prove.
Where as I would have thought, much like Man U today, the attack was much better in 79 with this helping to keep the pressure off the defence. you could argue that is defending too, but you know what i mean.

To be fair Bazza, if you were too young to see the team with Clemence in it, its a little unfair to make the sweeping original statement you made.

Hansen, Hughes, Thompson, Neal to name but a few were very strong players for Liverpool and their records speak for themselves.

As someone else has already said, there is a mythology about our teams in the 70's and 80's playing champagne footie all the time and its simply not true. We used to grind teams down and sneak 1 nils on a regular basis. We usually only cut loose on teams when the game was done and dusted.

[shankly]

Is Reina better than Elisha Scott Lec? You probably saw him play plenty of times in your youth.

There is an old guy who is a blue****e fan in my local in Jersey that says he is related somehow to Elisha Scott.

[bazza76]

To be fair Bazza, if you were too young to see the team with Clemence in it, its a little unfair to make the sweeping original statement you made.

Hansen, Hughes, Thompson, Neal to name but a few were very strong players for Liverpool and their records speak for themselves.

As someone else has already said, there is a mythology about our teams in the 70's and 80's playing champagne footie all the time and its simply not true. We used to grind teams down and sneak 1 nils on a regular basis. We usually only cut loose on teams when the game was done and dusted.

Unfair? unfair on who?
I guess what I was basing this on was football replays I have seen, which are many and looking much more impressive going forward than we do now. thus retaining the ball better, and the clean sheet records that i mentioned are no co-incidence. IMO alot has to do with the managers approach and the clean sheet records.