Reina better than Clemence

[Parm]

Well done Pepe. Keep it up son.

[Resu]

Just read that James set a new record, with 142 clean sheets in his carrier.
Reina will beat that easily if he stays with us.

[kop1te]

Just read that James set a new record, with 142 clean sheets in his carrier.
Reina will beat that easily if he stays with us.

Think that's 142 in the league.... not all competitions.

[Resu]

Yes, it`s in the league.
But Reina will still beat it if he stays.
There are a few young goalies that will get numbers like that.
-Cech
-Foster, the young Scum one
-carson, if he goes to decent team. Defo if the goes to the Arse

[Lecter]

Unfair? unfair on who?
I guess what I was basing this on was football replays I have seen, which are many and looking much more impressive going forward than we do now. thus retaining the ball better, and the clean sheet records that i mentioned are no co-incidence. IMO alot has to do with the managers approach and the clean sheet records.

What you have to also remember is who Reina got the clean sheets record from... one Ray Clemence if I remember correctly

The thing about TV replays is many of the games invariably only had highlights shown on TV and they arent often a true reflection of how the team set up and played in general

I watched the vast bulk of the home games live during the back end of the 70's onwards we could be impressive going forward but first and foremost we were solid, reliable, compact - very similar to Rafa's team today (and dare I say it Chelsea). Todays United team is far more attacking than any of our 70's or early 80's sides were, thats not to say that United are better than those old teams because as someone has said we would grind many teams down

[mersey86]

I think the important point here is that we once more have a keeper of the highest standards, offering us a foundation at the back which we can build upon and hopefully push towards greater success. Pepe is very important to Liverpool.
As for comparing with Clemence, that's a difficult one. Out of interest, can any of the old-timers (even older than me) remember Clemo having a dodgy spell during his years at Anfield. Pepe had one briefly earlier this season and "The Clown Prince" certainly had a dodgy start to his career, but I remember Ray Clemence as being very consistent and very dependable.

[bazza76]

All points you make are vlaid LEcter, but I think, so too are mine, especially if we look at the time frame Rafa has achieved these clean sheet records in. And still, we have got some way to go before we see Rafa's best side.

[Lecter]

All points you make are vlaid LEcter, but I think, so too are mine, especially if we look at the time frame Rafa has achieved these clean sheet records in. And still, we have got some way to go before we see Rafa's best side.

You do make some valid points but you also make some vast assumptions based on limited firsthand knowledge

Still thats nothing unusual as I mentioned earlier there has been this great myth that our great sides of the 70's & early 80's played expansive attacking football when in reality that wasnt the case

[bazza76]

You do make some valid points but you also make some vast assumptions based on limited firsthand knowledge

Still thats nothing unusual as I mentioned earlier there has been this great myth that our great sides of the 70's & early 80's played expansive attacking football when in reality that wasnt the case

I knew we were a solid unit front to back in them days, you would have to be to win titles like they did, and I also know of the way we used to put our strongest team out according who we thought the opposition strength was going to be, much like what Rafa does. But, tbh, I just think Rafa sides are so hard to break down, as possibly yes, even tougher than the teams of old to break down. While I agree im not a 50 something year old who has stood on the kop in them days. But I think there is something in the volume of clean sheet record in such a short space of time since Rafa arrived.

[Spionkop69]

Unfair? unfair on who?
I guess what I was basing this on was football replays I have seen, which are many and looking much more impressive going forward than we do now. thus retaining the ball better, and the clean sheet records that i mentioned are no co-incidence. IMO alot has to do with the managers approach and the clean sheet records.

You said that the defence was better now than it was then. Again I say the names: Hughes, Thompson, Neal, Hansen. Only one of current back four compares with any of them in my opinion and I've seen more than just the odd replay of the teams from the 70's and 80's.

As for the clips you've seen they are hardly likely to show good defensive performances in deference to loads of goals! Yes we retained the ball better but we were a better all round team unit then - hence our league domination.

[le2red]

Clemence is the best keeper I've seen play for us. Unfortunately most England managers at the time preferred Shilton which I could never understand. Pat Jennings was also a great keeper from the same era.

Pepe has made a great start for us, but I don't think he's in Clem's league yet despite the number of clean sheets.

[Draxdor]

I sincerely hope that we can pick this debate up again after Reina's 5th league title, and his third European Cup.

</make us DREAM, pepe!>

[lfc4ever]

I sincerely hope that we can pick this debate up again after Reina's 5th league title, and his third European Cup.

</make us DREAM, pepe!>

Or in 8 years time, making 10 in total, no doubt a few trophies collected along the way as well, only then can we compare as to where he stands with:

Pat Clemence
Bruce Springsteen
Tommy (The Flying Pig) Lawrence

[Draxdor]

Or in 8 years time, making 10 in total, no doubt a few trophies collected along the way as well, only then can we compare as to where he stands with:

Pat Clemence
Bruce Springsteen
Tommy (The Flying Pig) Lawrence

Fair enough. We'll meet back in this thread in May of 2015

[bazza76]

Clemence is the best keeper I've seen play for us. Unfortunately most England managers at the time preferred Shilton which I could never understand. Pat Jennings was also a great keeper from the same era.

Pepe has made a great start for us, but I don't think he's in Clem's league yet despite the number of clean sheets.

I dont think he is either, thats why I think the Rafa approach has alot to do with it.