Originally posted by shelly
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if that was a reply to me
It's true that it's drama in the press.. that it's them that fills it in but if you don't think that these kind of comments affect the players, perhaps not Carra, but you can be sure in some instances when it questions a player's professionalism or integrity they take it to heart.
let me point the following things out to you:
1) after 2005, papers published reports of Djimi's comments about Milan's arrogance and premature celebrations... both Gattuso and Maldini took it to heart Gattuso came out openly in the press and demanded an apology from Djimi
2) he harped on about it all summer after which he came back to Milan to start the new season and wanted to quit... thought about it for a long damn while before he decided to stick it out.. he then said later that his head was not on right not only because of the way they lost istanbul but because others have questioned Milan's arrogance and integrity.
3) The world cup: he was fired up that much many because of calciopoli and the accusations against their clubs.. Italy won't have won it without calciopoli and the siege effect it had. Manscum has used that to their effect many times.
4) Week in week out I watch him in serie A. He's not always that fired up. Not even in the CL is he usually that way. Like everyone else he can be motivated more, and one thing that drives him is comments like this from stevie.
One thing the milanisti hate is to be accused of unprofessionalism. It's drummed into their players... look at Sheva, even he reacts when people claim he is trying to cause a rift, or refuses to play when called upon. Kala got mad about the press accusation of him refusing to play in serie A only 2/3 ? weeks ago. Maldini has occasionally lost his temper.. when people accuse him or his teammates of that same thing... once in WC2002 against Korea and the second time in 2005 after the CL.
As I said, when Milan is pissed they can be frighteningly good. Recall Milan Juventus in 2005, look at Milan against Lyon last year, and this year against ManU and Bayern. They are already fired up for the CL yes, as they should be. This has been their one goal since the Calciopoli verdicts were passed. They gave up on Serie A before the season kicked off. Same for Coppa. All season long this has been their objective. That and a CL spot next season. Maldini thinks one CL = 5 serie A titles.. he's not alone in this in Milan.
Especially since they have been victimised to some extent in calciopoli... and they know it, all their players do. The recent Napoli trial results demonstrate that. So people who make comments like they are cheats who should not be playing anyway..should actually look at the entire calciopoli trial... the involvement of the judges in the trial, the sleight of hand of Moratti and the Inter board, the overturning of Galliani's suspension, the Napoli trials, Contamessa's statements, ... before they make this kind of judgment.
A team does not do this well in Europe so many times so consistently unless they are good enough. You can say the Italian refs are bent, but are you going to accuse the European refs too then? As I said we shouldn't fear them, nor be in awe of them but we'd better show them some respect. And they should show us some respect too!
5) if they aren't up for the final, there's something wrong with them. But like Liverpool, they depend a lot on their fan support. You realize that the support for Milan 2 years ago was so poor because their fans could not be bothered to travel cos they had been in too many finals over the years, missing one no longer bothered them especially when it was one that was hard to get to... They already thought they had it won, did you guys realize this? The day they realized that it was Liverpool and not Chelski they were facing? Their fans thought they had it won.
There's too much overconfidence and cockiness floating around in both camps of fans.. Liverpool fans are a hell of a lot better than that Rossoneri lot, but on our side there's much more cockiness this time round than there was 2 years ago. Getting similar vibes from people from both camps that they think they know the strengths and witnesses of the opponents... most of the analyses being based on a handful of games. Like the 2005 final or the semifinals. Lucky for us it's Rafa in charge and he won't make that mistake. Let's hope Carletto does.
It's true that it's drama in the press.. that it's them that fills it in but if you don't think that these kind of comments affect the players, perhaps not Carra, but you can be sure in some instances when it questions a player's professionalism or integrity they take it to heart.
let me point the following things out to you:
1) after 2005, papers published reports of Djimi's comments about Milan's arrogance and premature celebrations... both Gattuso and Maldini took it to heart Gattuso came out openly in the press and demanded an apology from Djimi
2) he harped on about it all summer after which he came back to Milan to start the new season and wanted to quit... thought about it for a long damn while before he decided to stick it out.. he then said later that his head was not on right not only because of the way they lost istanbul but because others have questioned Milan's arrogance and integrity.
3) The world cup: he was fired up that much many because of calciopoli and the accusations against their clubs.. Italy won't have won it without calciopoli and the siege effect it had. Manscum has used that to their effect many times.
4) Week in week out I watch him in serie A. He's not always that fired up. Not even in the CL is he usually that way. Like everyone else he can be motivated more, and one thing that drives him is comments like this from stevie.
One thing the milanisti hate is to be accused of unprofessionalism. It's drummed into their players... look at Sheva, even he reacts when people claim he is trying to cause a rift, or refuses to play when called upon. Kala got mad about the press accusation of him refusing to play in serie A only 2/3 ? weeks ago. Maldini has occasionally lost his temper.. when people accuse him or his teammates of that same thing... once in WC2002 against Korea and the second time in 2005 after the CL.
As I said, when Milan is pissed they can be frighteningly good. Recall Milan Juventus in 2005, look at Milan against Lyon last year, and this year against ManU and Bayern. They are already fired up for the CL yes, as they should be. This has been their one goal since the Calciopoli verdicts were passed. They gave up on Serie A before the season kicked off. Same for Coppa. All season long this has been their objective. That and a CL spot next season. Maldini thinks one CL = 5 serie A titles.. he's not alone in this in Milan.
Especially since they have been victimised to some extent in calciopoli... and they know it, all their players do. The recent Napoli trial results demonstrate that. So people who make comments like they are cheats who should not be playing anyway..should actually look at the entire calciopoli trial... the involvement of the judges in the trial, the sleight of hand of Moratti and the Inter board, the overturning of Galliani's suspension, the Napoli trials, Contamessa's statements, ... before they make this kind of judgment.
A team does not do this well in Europe so many times so consistently unless they are good enough. You can say the Italian refs are bent, but are you going to accuse the European refs too then? As I said we shouldn't fear them, nor be in awe of them but we'd better show them some respect. And they should show us some respect too!
5) if they aren't up for the final, there's something wrong with them. But like Liverpool, they depend a lot on their fan support. You realize that the support for Milan 2 years ago was so poor because their fans could not be bothered to travel cos they had been in too many finals over the years, missing one no longer bothered them especially when it was one that was hard to get to... They already thought they had it won, did you guys realize this? The day they realized that it was Liverpool and not Chelski they were facing? Their fans thought they had it won.
There's too much overconfidence and cockiness floating around in both camps of fans.. Liverpool fans are a hell of a lot better than that Rossoneri lot, but on our side there's much more cockiness this time round than there was 2 years ago. Getting similar vibes from people from both camps that they think they know the strengths and witnesses of the opponents... most of the analyses being based on a handful of games. Like the 2005 final or the semifinals. Lucky for us it's Rafa in charge and he won't make that mistake. Let's hope Carletto does.
It was not a reply to you, it was a reply to the initial post and the comments of "The Rino."
Good reply tho, I remember having good discussions with you of Italian footie on KT, I was Calcio324
they still don't have a Morientes to tell them what not to do 
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