Jamie Carragher - above criticism?

[Pacman]

read the thread rudeboy

nothing knee jerk about my opinion

I have read your thread

Lets look at some of the people you have mentioned.

Cannavaro - Good play good world cup but over the past year Carra has been more consistant he's had a poor season for Madrid.

Alex - On what basis is he better than Carra? Carra has been the main stay of Liverpools excellent defense over the past couple seasons I don't understand how Alex could be classed as a better option.

Marchena - Personal opinion but I don't rate him.

Gallas - Great player would love him at Liverpool but playing alongside Carra not instead of him.

[enema of the state]

Marchena is nowhere near the defender Carragher is.

I do think there's some validity in your comment about JC being more heart than talent, though. He'd say the same thing himself. Keegan came into the same bracket, but it doesn't matter whether their effectiveness stems from heart or talent - it's how effective they are as players that matters, and Carra is highly effective for us.

shagster - your a sensible guy (and I agree that keegan had a big slice of heart too) but if you think carragher is comparable to keegan in terms of quality, you need to be admitted to lectoid psych ward too

I think carraghers effectiveness is very good - but that there are better - and when you play centre back at the level of footy were discussing, that improvement could tell in silverware

[NRCRED]

In your opinion

I actually think we'd be hard pushed to find a better centrehalf than Carragher

Anyone who thinks he only gets by on heart imo belongs in a psychiatric ward

Defensively the guy is EXTREMELY clever. He organises well is positionally better than anyone else we have in the team (by a country mile I might add)

Yes he isnt the best in possession and he aint the quickest but his anticipation is superb

If we can find better I have no qualms about replacing him but when people like Benitez, Baresi, Hansen, Lawrenson, T. Smith et al are all saying hes one of the best defenders in the world then he must have something that you are not seeing

would put him on a par with john Terry @ Chelsea, he isn't the best, but what he does & how he plays adds more to the team than any superstar centre half we could bring in.

[Pacman]

shagster - your a sensible guy (and I agree that keegan had a big slice of heart too) but if you think carragher is comparable to keegan in terms of quality, you need to be admitted to lectoid psych ward too

I think carraghers effectiveness is very good - but that there are better - and when you play centre back at the level of footy were discussing, that improvement could tell in silverware

Some of the performances Carragher has put in over the past 3 years I very much doubt that many if any other cb's in the world could of played better.

[Lecter]

if you think jc is the best CB in the world - may the force be with you.

give my best wishes to everyone else there in the ward with you

I will pass on your best wishes to Rafa, Jocky and Franco

[enema of the state]

I have read your thread.

then youll appreciate that my opinion of jc is longstanding . no knee-jerk about it

Cannavaro - Good play good world cup but over the past year Carra has been more consistant he's had a poor season for Madrid.

Alex - On what basis is he better than Carra? Carra has been the main stay of Liverpools excellent defense over the past couple seasons I don't understand how Alex could be classed as a better option.

Marchena - Personal opinion but I don't rate him.

Gallas - Great player would love him at Liverpool but playing alongside Carra not instead of him.

Itll always come down to opinion but i think it takes seriously red-tinted specs to come to the opinion that jc is in anywhere near as good as fabio cannavaro

[Guest]

I don't think it would be easy to find a replacement for Carra mate. There aren't many defenders around at the moment but the sentiment is to keep improving that's what we should always do.

[enema of the state]

I will pass on your best wishes to Rafa, Jocky and Franco

give my best to napoleon and genghis khan while youre at it

[enema of the state]

I don't think it would be easy to find a replacement for Carra mate. There aren't many defenders around at the moment but the sentiment is to keep improving that's what we should always do.

i dont either - doesnt mean its not worth doing

[Lecter]

give my best to napoleon and genghis khan while youre at it

Enjoy your pint and sharing your thoughts with John Motson and Jimmy Hill

[Shaggy]

shagster - your a sensible guy (and I agree that keegan had a big slice of heart too) but if you think carragher is comparable to keegan in terms of quality, you need to be admitted to lectoid psych ward too

I think carraghers effectiveness is very good - but that there are better - and when you play centre back at the level of footy were discussing, that improvement could tell in silverware

I wasn't suggesting they are comparable in quality - just that Keegan achieved what he did through having as much heart/desire and a willingness to learn/work hard as he had quality.

Carra is the same, IMO.

Most naturally gifted footballers don't have the heart of a Carragher or a Keegan, and nor do they have the capacity/willingness to learn.

I'm not suggesting for one minute that it's ALL heart and no talent - that would be ridiculous.

[Pacman]

then youll appreciate that my opinion of jc is longstanding . no knee-jerk about it




Itll always come down to opinion but i think it takes seriously red-tinted specs to come to the opinion that jc is in anywhere near as good as fabio cannavaro:shake:

I disagree mate I really do.

An italian jorno was on the auld wireless a while back and he was saying Italian players, managers and ex players can't understand why Carra isn't one of the 1st names on the team sheet for England. They rate him just as high as Terry and even more so than Rio. Football is all about opinion but it's like saying you would replace Gerrard with Kaka.

[enema of the state]

would put him on a par with john Terry @ Chelsea, he isn't the best, but what he does & how he plays adds more to the team than any superstar centre half we could bring in.

i'd put him on the level below john terry:

when did you last see chavski lose a big game on 2 terry mistakes?

its someone from that echelon we need to replace him

the point is that when it comes to central defence, having the best really tells.

[enema of the state]

I wasn't suggesting they are comparable in quality - just that Keegan achieved what he did through having as much heart/desire and a willingness to learn/work hard as he had quality.

Carra is the same, IMO.

Most naturally gifted footballers don't have the heart of a Carragher or a Keegan, and nor do they have the capacity/willingness to learn.

I'm not suggesting for one minute that it's ALL heart and no talent - that would be ridiculous.

carra has heart and talent - hes just limited and some games his errors cost us. there are better players. thats where we need to be shopping

you might conclude that gerards "error" cost us too but i'd argue that thats a much rarer phenomenon AND that there isnt anybody better at what he does

[enema of the state]

Enjoy your pint and sharing your thoughts with John Motson and Jimmy Hill