Would the blame lie with Lpool fans if there had been a Terrorist incident?

[Parm]

Was a wallet but it was small enough to be concealed in my hand but certainly big enough to cause damage if it had been semtex etc. The police officer didn't even go to the bottom of my bag I was carrying. The point is the search was crap. In fact it was all crap to be honest. Either do it properly or get someone in who can. Most of the problems encountered by the Greeks were self generated. Their job is to detect and deter. They did neither. I'm very surprised as they had ample warning.

that's shocking Al,

[Revo]

it wouldent matter who was playing, those ***** at uefa are above it all. your talking about ****ers who are having a major cup final in moscow and a world cup in africa, yeh in principal its a nice idea, but its a ****ing joke. they are beyond reproach. they`re a joke and when parry gets his head sorted he should give that **** platini a call and recommend who ever sorted his hair. *******s

[lfcruleus]

it wouldent matter who was playing, those ***** at uefa are above it all. your talking about ****ers who are having a major cup final in moscow and a world cup in africa, yeh in principal its a nice idea, but its a ****ing joke. they are beyond reproach. they`re a joke and when parry gets his head sorted he should give that **** platini a call and recommend who ever sorted his hair. *******s

After this week i actually hope we dont make the final next year, how ****ed up is that?

[Meols Kopite]

it wouldent matter who was playing, those ***** at uefa are above it all. your talking about ****ers who are having a major cup final in moscow and a world cup in africa, yeh in principal its a nice idea, but its a ****ing joke. they are beyond reproach. they`re a joke and when parry gets his head sorted he should give that **** platini a call and recommend who ever sorted his hair. *******s

To be fair though the World Cup in Africa has nothing to do with UEFA as that's FIFA's choice.

[alunevans]

After this week i actually hope we dont make the final next year, how ****ed up is that?

i had exactly the same thought myself. its scandalous that this is how it is. having ranted about the lack of tickets i've now decided never to attend an event that uefa is running unless something major changes - and it won't.

i'll watch future finals in the likes of the olympia in liverpool.

i hope we make the final but i hope EVERYONE stays at home.

[TheStig]

i hope we make the final but i hope EVERYONE stays at home.

I wish that could happen. How embarassing would it be for UEFA?

[Red_Al_77]

Article on the net......


Liverpool fans - best in the world? or an accident waiting to happen?
By Sack the Juggler | Related entries in Uncategorized

Lets get something straight from the off. Most of the Liverpool fans I know, who go to the game, enjoy a good laugh and love their club. They have supported the club since boyhood and have been through all its highs and lows. They are well behaved and truly believe they are ambassadors for the club when traveling abroad to support Liverpool FC.

They are typical of most Liverpool fans and they represent the majority of the support that Liverpool has…. however, there is a growing minority of Liverpool fans who think its is ok to bunk into sold out games, to rob tickets, to intimidate locals and opposition fans alike, and even to attack opposition fans when away representing their club.

I know all clubs have their moronic minority, but not all clubs are in Europe where they don’t have the benefit of our policing and crowd control methods, and it seems to be getting worse rather than better. But what is perhaps most frustrating about looking in from the outside is that rather than acknowledge this problem, a lot of otherwise sane Liverpool fans close ranks and try to pretend its not happening. Not all of them, but enough to give “cover” to those idiots who are doing it. Some fans in trying to protect the image of their club are actually protecting these idiots and this just encourages them into more and more outrageous behaviour, knowing that they can get away with it.

“Bunking in” was always a cup tradition on Merseyside and for most clubs with a big following. It wasn’t a case of not being able to afford a ticket (not in those days anyway), it was more a case of not being able to get one. Once you got past the gate you were away, mixing in with the others standing on the terraces, and because everyone was standing then no one lost out, people with tickets still got in, the only downside was that it was a little more crowded than it was meant to be. Everyone had a great time, and the “bunkers” were able to boast about it down the pub afterwards.

Hillsborough, whilst having nothing to do with bunking in, showed only too clearly the problem of overcrowding on the terrace, and it changed the way we viewed stadium safety forever. Gone are the days of terraces, now games are all seater.

So now the impact of bunking in is no longer that is no-one else disadvantaged. Now, if you bunk in, you’re taking someone else’s seat. And that leads to two kinds of problems, either the owner of the ticket for that seat gets abuse off the squatter and is forced to take someone else’s seat, or the Police decide that the ground is too full they lock out those fans who have actually managed to get a ticket.

Now you can blame the authorities for this, the Police for not being able to contain a rushing mob, or UEFA for only issuing the club 17,000 tickets, or you can blame those fans who deliberately bunked in. If you do decide to blame the authorities then you are absolving those who rushed the gates and took others seats, and in doing do you are legitimizing their actions and encouraging them, and others, to do it again in the future.

The club seems to be taking the latter view. Rick Parry seemed to legitimized the actions of the bunkers by saying that “by hook, or by crook” 40,000 of the 63,800 seats would be occupied by Liverpool fans. (By the way Parry, and all those executives of other clubs who complain about UEFA’s ticket allocations, how can you condemn UEFA for allocating tickets to corporate sponsors and related parties when the clubs themselves do exactly the same; in Liverpool’s case issuing 6,000 of the clubs 17,000 allocation to corporate sponsors and friends of the club?)

In addition to the bunkers, there are also those who rob tickets from their own fans, or who throw bottles at celebrating opposition fans, and who want to fight with them. Most fans are appalled by this, but others try to deny it, saying it never happened because they didn’t see it. Some fans have even tried to say the video of Liverpool fans throwing bottles at celebrating Milan fans at the big screen set up in Athens was faked because “there was no big screen set up in Athens”. Its this kind of denial and covering up that protects and encourages the idiots to behave in the way they do.

So is it all just part of the game, is it the authorities fault, is it just a British disease, or is it just exaggerated? The truth is that its probably a bit of all of those, but it is ALSO a growing minority of fans, real people, not fictional or some faceless organisation, who are making this happen. If you ignore it, it wont go away, in fact it will only get worse. The only way to get rid of it is to speak out against it, to the club, the fans and anyone who’ll listen.

The first step in solving a problem is recognising you have one. Don’t just sit by and let these idiots ruin the good name of your club.

[lfcruleus]

Spot on that article, my attitude to our support has changed forever after Athens.

[le2red]

Very good article, difficult to disagree with any of it.

Re Athens, I didn't have my ticket checked just waved it around a few times. My mate didn't have his ticket checked either as the steward was more interested in trying to confiscate his glasses.

[Revo]

To be fair though the World Cup in Africa has nothing to do with UEFA as that's FIFA's choice.

yeah mate but fifa cant take a **** without asking uefa

[El Jefecito]

Let's face it. NO-ONE comes out of this with any credit. Let it lie, is the best bet.

[rushscored4]

A couple of blokes we met in Crete (father and son) couldn't get tickets so they watched it in a bar in Athens. They said when Milan scored their second goal some so-called Liverpool fans decided to wreck the place throwing bottles at the big screen TVs, the bar, windows and even at other Reds.

They reckoned "they were cockneys" but I saw lots of embarrassing incidents myself involving scousers. For example, two beauts trying to rob cheese baguettes from a kiosk in the stadium but when the little old Greek woman behind the counter tried to stop them they called her a "dirty arl Greek ****" and threatened to punch her. Classy...

You wonder whether some of these pricks have got any brains at all. They sing "justice for the 96" and "one lying *******" then try to storm the barriers at the ground and encourage their mates to push people out of the way so they can bunk in...

[Johnny]

Let's face it. NO-ONE comes out of this with any credit. Let it lie, is the best bet.

Thats not true,something has to change,people could have died with the gate rushing.