Depressed thread....

[Helios Creed]

They have been after Nani for well over a year too, Anderson is the only surprise.

We've also been after several targets for years, I thought Rafa was hoping that this time we'd get them done and dusted swiftly like Mnure have. It was the swiftness of getting the business concluded this window, not any previous haggling that I was talking about. Isn't that what Rafa seemed to be asking for?

Anyway hopefully the reason for our slowness is that our targets are playing in Spain still.

[JRC]

So the Champion strengthern significantly. that would be like - oh, I don't know - runaway Champions Chelsea buying Shevchenko and Ballack. They'd be unbeatable, right?

Did anyone seriously think Utd were NOT going to buy anyone this Summer, or at most only Hargreaves? Was there any suggestion that these were players we (i.e. Rafa, not a bunch of CM-playing Internet Warriors) wanted to buy, and we are now stymied? NO!

Prediction - Chelsea will buy a big name or two as well. Should we just give up and go home and put our heads under the bedclothes until August when they do?

The window has only just opened. Whilst we all want new names and more quality ASAP, let's not dismiss our summer transfer dealings JUST yet, please.

[Mattshark]

We've also been after several targets for years, I thought Rafa was hoping that this time we'd get them done and dusted swiftly like Mnure have. It was the swiftness of getting the business concluded this window, not any previous haggling that I was talking about. Isn't that what Rafa seemed to be asking for?

Anyway hopefully the reason for our slowness is that our targets are playing in Spain still.

Well, yes, nearly every major target we have had recently has been playing in Spain and remember that their season finished 3 days before ours.

[Fierce]

So the Champion strengthern significantly. that would be like - oh, I don't know - runaway Champions Chelsea buying Shevchenko and Ballack. They'd be unbeatable, right?

Did anyone seriously think Utd were NOT going to buy anyone this Summer, or at most only Hargreaves? Was there any suggestion that these were players we (i.e. Rafa, not a bunch of CM-playing Internet Warriors) wanted to buy, and we are now stymied? NO!

Prediction - Chelsea will buy a big name or two as well. Should we just give up and go home and put our heads under the bedclothes until August when they do?

The window has only just opened. Whilst we all want new names and more quality ASAP, let's not dismiss our summer transfer dealings JUST yet, please.

[Helios Creed]

Well, yes, nearly every major target we have had recently has been playing in Spain and remember that their season finished 3 days before ours.

And they seem to be handing over blank cheques which helps.

[carrsim]

Steve mate, whether they spent 2m or 17m, Hargreaves is exactly what utd need. He could have made the difference for them against Milan.

then they signed him 3 weeks too late

fergie out. gill out. glazer out

[StevieG08]

We will get either Eto'o or Tevez and probably Alves as well. Someone should keep there pants on.

Lucas will be the greatest upset in the PL since Cantona. Wait and see.

http://www.recontragolazo.com/?p=339

That Lucas lad looks like he's got several strings to his bow, cheers for the link

[Flight]

We will get either Eto'o or Tevez and probably Alves as well. Someone should keep there pants on.

Lucas will be the greatest upset in the PL since Cantona. Wait and see.

http://www.recontragolazo.com/?p=339

I posted the following yesterday on another site. Note that the opinions expressed about him are not pie in the sky internet bollocks, they are the opinions of the fans of his club, who watch him week in, week out. The comparison to Falcao is mouth watering :





I've spent an hour or two this morning searching the internet, to find out more about Lucas, and reading the existing threads on this and other LFC sites. I have to say, it looks like I've greatly underestimated him and I think a lot of others have too.


Folks will probably have seen the compilation which is half way down this page. Probably also know that he is currently the holder of the Bola de Ouro (Brazils player of the year), in very distinguished company.

What I've found surprising is how knowledgable Brazils fans are across their forums about European football (including LFC) and just how highly Lucas is rated by all of them and by folks in other countries around the world. It seems its only in this country he is somewhat anonymous. Gremio have been forced to sell him to balance their finances and it looks like we paid what they asked, without haggling, to get him quick before anyone else came in.

They also seem to understand the intracasies of different formations and don't see him as a DM in the way we seem to. They have more names for different positions in CM and AM than we do.



These quotes are typical of their responses and feelings about him :





As to myself, I prefer the "new Falcao" and not the "Brazilian Gerrard"

Most Europeans that talked to me about Lucas had the impression that he is a defensive midfielder, and did not understand the function of second volante, until i gave them some examples. i do not want to repeat myself as we discussed it in the transfers and rumors thread and everything was said there, I recommend to Canalla and European members interested to understand about Lucas, to read it there

I do not agree with you, Leone, about Lucas being more defensive. he is very talented and inteligent and also gives everything of himself so he can do many things , but the thing he does best, in my humble opinion is his projection asisting the attack, and he is always better when he has a real volante de contencion behind him.


At the same time he is seen as being closer to Vieira than Gerrard.




It is a fact that most of you do not appreciate him, think that Xavi Alonso is better , ect.

SO what shoud i say?

And as to the red colour, it is the color of International, the city rival, the most hated colour in Gremio, nothing to do with you

Furthermore, the Liverpool site did not even mentioned the deal. for you it is nothing, just a "prospect". For us he is everything. He is the best player of gremio, the captain of the young NT (National team), a hero and an idol in RS and all Brasil, so what do you want? no growing up on my side will ease the frustration that we, his fans, feel

I will be only too happy if you prove me wrong and he wil flourish in Liverpool, believe me . I want the best for him. If we have to lose him for money, so at least I want him to be happy and succeed, he deserves it as a person and a football player. Such persons does not grow on trees. they are rare , and should be nourished





hes got tackling like mascherano,sissoko
hes got passing like fabregas,guti (short defence cutting passes) not long
he shoots like gerrard
he dribles like kaka
and lastly hes got energy like essien



Falcao, Cerezo, are not Defensive Middlefield in the sense of the word. They are what was called here "medio-volantes" and not "cabeça-de-areas", Those players are responsable for organizing the middlefield, not covering the defense like DMs should do.
However, people put all in the same pack this style of player and the DMs, because in europe, either you are a dm or a playmaker. They are just limited about football, what to do
Anyways, Lucas is not a DM in the Mauro Silva, Gilberto Silva, etc. sense, and I think he is not Gerrard like (perhaps spirit/leadership) player either.





Overall, I'm really excited about what I've found out. The prospect of Masch, Lucas and Gerrard playing together is mouth watering. It will also provide the competition Xabi and Momo need to bring their best form out of them, IF they stay. Really can't see both of them being here next term.

[rage]

I must confess to never having seen Malouda play. Can anyone fill me in on what type of left winger he is? Is he tricky, direct, does heg o past people or whip balls in? What's his delivery and goal scoring like? He's currently the French footballer of the year so I'd be surprised if he were complete pants, but I guess that's not enough to go on...

well i reckin he's like zenden whilst others think thats exactly what we need. One thing for sure from seeing him in the world cup he can't cross the ball to save his life.

Pace - not really
Guile - not really
ability to beat his man - not often
hard working - allegedly
Workhorse? - we'll soon see if the stories are true
French Player of the Year - so what, i read on here that was cisse's level and he was never deemed good enough.

What any of us wanted? Hand on heart no but no doubt that there are some of us who'll think he'll strengthen the squad.

All my opinion based upon MY opinion, if anyone has a different opinion that's fine but i still reckon he'll not address the areas where we need to improve ENOUGH to challenge for the title

[mersey86]

Posted by a guy named Paul on TLW.....

I think he sums up the way many of us are feeling at the moment.

Not me, I left childish ways behind some time back. I'll bet his lower lip was wobbling as he wrote that article.

[Redlife]

It's impressive how quickly the Scum moved for Nani and Anderson - although like most people I've hardly seen them play at all and have no idea how good they are.



However, as was said, it's only 1st June! Chill.

[dww]

Most Europeans that talked to me about Lucas had the impression that he is a defensive midfielder, and did not understand the function of second volante, until i gave them some examples. i do not want to repeat myself as we discussed it in the transfers and rumors thread and everything was said there, I recommend to Canalla and European members interested to understand about Lucas, to read it there

I do not agree with you, Leone, about Lucas being more defensive. he is very talented and inteligent and also gives everything of himself so he can do many things , but the thing he does best, in my humble opinion is his projection asisting the attack, and he is always better when he has a real volante de contencion behind him.

Any chance of you posting the definition/examples of the second volante position mentioned.

Does real volante de contencion mean holding player?

[Flight]

Any chance of you posting the definition/examples of the second volante position mentioned.

Does real volante de contencion mean holding player?

Roughly speaking, its more concerned with assisting the attacking than being a Masch or a Momo, although it looks like Lucas has the ability to do all of those things.


There is a thread about him here, which seems knowledgable.

[Red_Al_77]

1/ Nothing sensible comes out of TLW.
2/ Manure's spending has largely been financed by sales last year and underspending in the last TW.
3/ If we buy Eto'o and Alves (when the Spanish season finishes) the same people will still moan
4/ Anderson doesn't even have a fecking work permit yet.
5/ I really doubt some moaners on the net have even seen these players at all. Even Robbie Savage looked good when he was a youngster.
6/ Stop fecking moaning

[Flight]

Any chance of you posting the definition/examples of the second volante position mentioned.

Does real volante de contencion mean holding player?

Roughly speaking, its more concerned with assisting the attacking than being a Masch or a Momo, although it looks like Lucas has the ability to do all of those things.


There is a thread about him here, which seems knowledgable.


Volante de contencion is a defensive holding player, like Masch.