Same old Liverpool = no title again !

[Marky]

u mean Pedersen?

Yes.

[lfcruleus]

ITS JUNE THE FOURTH FFS.

cant wait till August when we've signed **** all, everyone will have topped themselves.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

I only got as far as, "Parry has costed the club very much money", but i get the gist.

FLMAO. Ouch.

[Steve101]

Welcome KOP720.....oh dear. It seems you're showing the symptoms of 'Rashids syndrome' . It's a nasty little infection that makes you feel very negative about the club your supposed to suport. Luckily your not at the advanced stage yet, when everything you post is complete and utter bollocks.........there is hope!!!!

Seriously.....the blame Parry thing is done to death, and other posters have put people straight on that one. As for 'crap buys' . Well they all do it, simple as that. Wenger, Fergscum, Maureen.all have bought players who are frankly bloody rubbish, as have we. That tells us that it's not an exact science, and a player who seems good in one team may not always tranfer that to another. As for missing out on targets, well none of us are privvy to the ins and outs of deals, so we cant really say when, why or even if a deal collapsed because of something LFC did or didnt do. Remember Simao? He was on the plane when Benfica pulled the deal due to fans pressure! Just follow the advice of those who know. sit back and wait, theres a whole summer of cricket still to be played, and its great......enjoy!!

[AFII]

Do you have any idea what a CEO of a company has to do? You are looking for a despot to run the company at a micro level not a Chief Executive Officer, a company has to run on so many levels and many people are responsible for that happening or not happening, ultimately the CEO lives and dies by the performance of the company and two European Cup finals and an FA cup in 3 years is a better return than all but Chelsea and Manu in this country, and more importantly we are improving.

I think we will have to agree to differ, but if you had your way Gerrard would be playing for Chelsea now and that would be a disaster.

PS - don't get me wrong, I'm not a Parry fan and if the club can find someone better to replace him then happy days - but he does get a lot stick which isn't always justified,

It's the CEO's responsibility, no one else, to hire the right people to do the small things. Parry didn't do that so he is the man responsible that he must that care of all the small and big things.

It's his responsibility if he can't get enough time to sort everything out, no one else.

It's very easy to sign a piece of paper. As soon as a transfer is agreed between the two clubs then you can sign that binding contract between the clubs.

Parry didn't botter to do that when we had agreed a fee with Benfica or Sevilla. He trusted the clubs to keep a promise. You can't do that in todays transfer market. You must have a written agreement in 100% of the cases.

You will be a big loser if you believe that a promise without a written contract is enough.

Why do you think Rafa wanted Gerrard and Carragher to sign the new contracts as soon as possible even that the players had promised to sign?

[BrettUSA]

Do you have any idea what a CEO of a company has to do? You are looking for a despot to run the company at a micro level not a Chief Executive Officer, a company has to run on so many levels and many people are responsible for that happening or not happening, ultimately the CEO lives and dies by the performance of the company and two European Cup finals and an FA cup in 3 years is a better return than all but Chelsea and Manu in this country, and more importantly we are improving.

Ultimately, the buck stops with the top man (as we say over here).

Liverpool is run like something out of the dark ages and there is complacency at all levels of the organisation. That's down to the CEO IMO. He's responsible for appointing the right people, motivating them and, most importantly, providing direction.

The fact that Moores had to loan us £10m to buy Kuyt should say it all really. We were, and still are, a rudderless ship.

And it's naive to give any credit for the 2 CL finals to Parry - that's solely down to Benitez.

[El Jefecito]

Although i agree that it's too early to 'slit our wrists' or 'hit the panic button', Kop270 makes many valid points. The way the club was ran under the old regime (which is largely down to Parry) is a joke.

The fact that a club the size of ours was allowed to fall into decline to the point that we needed to sell to foreign 'investors' is pathetic,IMHO. 80mil of debt and the inability to build a decent stadium that would of turned us into a profitable club with the ability to sign top class players are all the doing of Parry and Mr.Moores.

Our board sat back for nearly 20 years and just watched the Manc scum show us how it was done until it was too late for them to do anything about it. We were at the pinnacle of English football but one bad move after the next has cost us dearly. Ok not all of that is down to Parry but the majority of it is.

If people think the club was being well ran by Parry then i'm truely amazed and i can't see the new owners keeping him on for very many years but lets see how that pans out. We can only hope the new owners will drag us into the modern age so we can compete again with the other 'big' clubs of europe.

I disagree that it was parry's fault. All he could do was support the manager. The manager was crap hence the signings parry made were crap. Blame Houiller.

[BrettUSA]

It's the CEO's responsibility, no one else, to hire the right people to do the small things. Parry didn't do that so he is the man responsible that he must that care of all the small and big things.

It's his responsibility if he can't get enough time to sort everything out, no one else.

Sorry, just seen your post.

I'd like to add that Parry doesn't have a good rep as a negotiator. So the poor transfer fees over his tenure are partly as a result of is negotiation skills (as well as poor player judgement, etc).

And I'm not even going to touch the marketing side of things.

As I just said (but it's worth emphasising), David Moores had to loan the club £10m to buy Kuyt last summer - FACT.

[El Jefecito]

1. Contracts - if players won't sign you ship them the **** out as soon as they have no more than 24 months left. I'm not going to debate the Stevie debacle; he was ready to resign as soon as the CL final was over. The owen thing was beyond a joke - on the bench for the first game of the season yet still spinning bull**** about resigning.
Do you not think that Houiller was the person making these decisions??????????? Rafa was in a situation where he had to go into damage limitation mode, because GH had sold us up the river.

2. Rafa not having a room to sleep in (and yes its true) - your reaction is probably exactly the same as Parrys is on many things. Pass the buck, its someone elses responsibility. For something as important as that, no matter who is responsible for booking, the club should be double and triple checking that everything is in order. Not doing that is base incompetence.
Do you really think Parry books hotel rooms
3. When I spoke about the CL Final tickets I was talking about the way they were allocated to us and the lack of communication about it from the club. It was farcical. On top of that ticketing and sales has been a joke at our club for a decade.
Parry was working within the constraints of agreements that had already been agreed. What could he do??????????


You seem to share a lot of Parrys approaches - pass the buck and blame someone else. He should be identifying these types of issues and either deal with them himself or appoint people at the club to do it for him.
Yawn!

These are just high profile examples of things not being sorted properly. This attitude permeates the club at every level (outside of the playing and coaching staff). There must be things happening on a daily level in a similar vein.
Our orgaization structure has not been fleshed out sufficiently G&H will address this. Everyone knows Parry so he is the one blamed for everything. The bad press over the CL final should have been dropped on Cotton, but no, Parry takes the stick. Why? Because he is the most visible!!


Maybe I'm totally wrong but we'll see what responsibilities Parry has in a year or two's time, if he is still here.
You may or may not be right, but for sure you are over-simplifying the situation. Basically, anything that is not understood is Parry's fault

[BrettUSA]

I disagree that it was parry's fault. All he could do was support the manager. The manager was crap hence the signings parry made were crap. Blame Houiller.

Geez, I'm seeing the future this evening! I'd say it's a combination of three things:

1. poor negotiating (some of your members will probably kill me for this but David Gill has a very good rep).

2. poor players (but then the managers were appointed by Parry and Moores!). Also, Parry's ultimately responsible for the club's finances and could easily have vetoed some of those terrible French deals.

3. incompetence - generally putting LFC in a weak bargaining position (eg leaving Owen's contract run down).

So the buck stops with the CEO (no matter what way you look at it).

[El Jefecito]

Geez, I'm seeing the future this evening! I'd say it's a combination of three things:

1. poor negotiating (some of your members will probably kill me for this but David Gill has a very good rep).

2. poor players (but then the managers were appointed by Parry and Moores!). Also, Parry's ultimately responsible for the club's finances and could easily have vetoed some of those terrible French deals.

3. incompetence - generally putting LFC in a weak bargaining position (eg leaving Owen's contract run down).

So the buck stops with the CEO (no matter what way you look at it).

Like I say, the CEO does what the manager says. You can't blame Parry for Houiller's failiings. I know you would like too, but it is not as simple as that

[BrettUSA]

Like I say, the CEO does what the manager says. You can't blame Parry for Houiller's failiings. I know you would like too, but it is not as simple as that

I don't like blaming Parry for Houllier's failings - I'm not a fan of Houllier at all.

But he does bear some responsibility for appointing him (and therefore bears responsibility for some of the Houllier transfers).

And the CEO shouldn't just do what the manager says (although I know what you're saying). Case in point - Ridsdale at Leeds.

[El Jefecito]

I don't like blaming Parry for Houllier's failings - I'm not a fan of Houllier at all.

But he does bear some responsibility for appointing him (and therefore bears responsibility for some of the Houllier transfers).

And the CEO shouldn't just do what the manager says (although I know what you're saying). Case in point - Ridsdale at Leeds.

Like you say, it's difficult to seperate the two. But iit is much easier to blame houiller

[dww]

I don't like blaming Parry for Houllier's failings - I'm not a fan of Houllier at all.

But he does bear some responsibility for appointing him (and therefore bears responsibility for some of the Houllier transfers).

And the CEO shouldn't just do what the manager says (although I know what you're saying). Case in point - Ridsdale at Leeds.

For a start I don't completely believe this Houllier bashing - he did well initially and no one can say that he didn't improve the professionalism of the club. You have to back you managers decisions within the budget you have available. The CEO/Chairman set out how much can be spent but they really have to leave the football decisions to the managers.

Houllier had a/ had sucess and b/ had a good reputation. Parry did well at the time getting him in, there only fault was a lack of ruthlessness in not sacking him for poor performance a year before they did. To be honest due to his ill health a lot of people would have found that decision hard to take.

Parry bought in Rafa.

It does appear he is a less than brilliant negotiator.

He tried to improve our merchandising by bringing in ITV. The problem was a huge advertising downturn meant that they had no time for side projects like us. You can't ask people to be psychic.

I think maybe we do need a change. Sometimes people become stagnant or have limitations which mean they are okay but not ideal for a job. I feel this is where we are with Parry but this constant bashing of him, often with very flimsy evidence is rather pathetic.