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    Are these goals we're conceding a worry?

    What's happened with keeping clean sheets of late? We're letting goals in (ok it's one in each game since the league/cl started) but it's not like us is it!?

    It's more than likely down to the injury problems and the continuous changing of the defence though, I suppose. Let's look at the three goals conceded then.

    Haifa's goal at Anfield came from the midfield where the lad ran straight through skipping Hyypia's 'challenge' and straight through on goal - could that be a problem with midfield, or is it just down to our 'slow' defence?!

    Then there was the Sheff Utd header - simply down to our lack of 'understanding' of our zonal marking system, in my opinion. Aurelio was meant to pick Hulse up but never tracked him giving the lad a free header. Could this be down to the changing of the team due to injuries? Possibly, but again I say it's that same old problem of this zonal marking. Just my opinion though as I've never liked the system Rafa tried at set pieces.

    Then, last night. Reina makes the save but their player follows up to score. Lack of marking, changing of defensive players?! I don't know, but someone should have picked him up possibly, such as Finnan, Agger or Hyypia?! I'll put that one down to not picking up the player, as it was one of the first things I was taught as a defender in my playing days was to keep an eye on your player and be sharp and alert until the ball is dead. Perhaps I'm being picky, but that's my opinion.

    Anyway, great save by Reina towards the end to tip away a superb effort to deny then the equalizer. Well done Pepe mate!

    So, back to this conceding lark. It's early days in the season so it's possibly a case of settling down and getting match sharpness and understanding etc., and there's definitely a case that it's down to these injuries we've been getting, and keep getting. A few weeks ago I was thinking that Rafa'd have it tough to keep everyone happy, but with players dropping like flies with injuries we're getting a bit thin on the ground, especially in defence which makes it a lot easier to pick a team I suppose. We don't want more injuries as we're stretched for a left back as it is with only Aurelio available now.

    Let's hope for a clean sheet, and an injury free game on Saturday as we look forward to the CL draw tomorrow.

    I'm not criticising us at all with this post, just wondering what other's opinions are with the goals we're conceding having had such a great record with clean sheets last season. It's early days yet though.

    #2
    It is a bit of a worry but I don't think we could have expected the amazing consistency of last season to continue realistically. Carra's picked up an injury as has Riise, most of the same 4 players played the whole of last season and need a well earned break. I expect the settling down to take about another month and then we'll be back to our meanest.
    I don't think there's a problem with the team or tactics so much, just a problem with finding fitness and the understanding which comes with playing week in week out.
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      #3
      I'm not sure what are the causes of the current problems but I get tired of pundits saying every time we concede a goal from a set-piece that zonal marking is to blame. When other clubs concede similar goals they blame individual errors, not the man-to-man marking system. It's lazy.

      Our zonal marking system seemed to work OK when we went all those matches without conceding a goal.
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        #4
        Originally posted by G_Man
        It is a bit of a worry but I don't think we could have expected the amazing consistency of last season to continue realistically. Carra's picked up an injury as has Riise, most of the same 4 players played the whole of last season and need a well earned break. I expect the settling down to take about another month and then we'll be back to our meanest.
        I don't think there's a problem with the team or tactics so much, just a problem with finding fitness and the understanding which comes with playing week in week out.
        I think once the back five settle down and the new boys begin to gel then the consistency will return. We've added a number of new players this season plus Agger hardly played much due to injury so their going to take a little time to settle IMO.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Neil Young
          I'm not sure what are the causes of the current problems but I get tired of pundits saying every time we concede a goal from a set-piece that zonal marking is to blame. When other clubs concede similar goals they blame individual errors, not the man-to-man marking system. It's lazy.

          Our zonal marking system seemed to work OK when we went all those matches without conceding a goal.
          Couldn't agree more. It drives me up the wall when they bang on about zonal marking being at fault.

          Personally I just think we're still a bit rusty.
          Like blood on iron

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            #6
            Originally posted by Neil Young
            I'm not sure what are the causes of the current problems but I get tired of pundits saying every time we concede a goal from a set-piece that zonal marking is to blame. When other clubs concede similar goals they blame individual errors, not the man-to-man marking system. It's lazy.

            Our zonal marking system seemed to work OK when we went all those matches without conceding a goal.
            Pundits have to talk about something, the fact is zonal marking led to us being the second best defense in the league last season. The pundits conveniently forget these facts when we concede a goal from set pieces.:whatever:

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              #7
              At a glance it does feel a littel strnge to look so shaky at times. However its early door and it took us what?6 PL games before we got going last year.

              I am actually really please about Aggeer's performances of late. Maybe we should be playing him alongside Carra when he returns?.....

              Sammi a legend fair enough but has absolutely no pace and when peopl run towards him and players run across him he looks like a rabbit in head lights.

              Teams will pick up on the fact we are great in the air against the long ball but ordinary against the ball into feet acorss the back four.

              Me thinks Agger in for Sammi when Carra returns.

              Aurelio is just finding his feet and I dont think the chopping and changing helps at this early stage. In a way the injuries we have suffered may be to our beenfit. eg. Xabi and Steve G in the middle forcing Pennant and Gonzales on the wings,,Which is defintely our most potent threat.

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                #8
                I agree with what you guys have said on the whole, but I'll remain of the opinion that I'd rather man marking to this zonal system we play at set pieces. But as you say, it's worked well for us last season when we went on that clean sheet run of games so it's probably just a case of the players settling down and the fact, as I said earlier, that we've had so many injuries to key defenders this early in the season.

                Here's to a clean sheet on Saturday!

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                  #9
                  Clean sheets are good
                  All hat and no cattle

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kaip
                    Clean sheets are good
                    Why don't I believe that you're talking about football here Ian?!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Taffy
                      I agree with what you guys have said on the whole, but I'll remain of the opinion that I'd rather man marking to this zonal system we play at set pieces. But as you say, it's worked well for us last season when we went on that clean sheet run of games so it's probably just a case of the players settling down and the fact, as I said earlier, that we've had so many injuries to key defenders this early in the season.

                      Here's to a clean sheet on Saturday!
                      I think that the zonal marking scheme is actually very effective. Unfortunately the effectiveness comes at the cost of having to work much harder at you r understanding of your role and the role of others. This means that when we have had a settled defence playing together regularly I expect us to defend much better.
                      "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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                        #12
                        Saturday's concession reminded me of Old Trafford last season - a new member of the defensive team (Kromkamp then, Aurelio on Saturday) not being fully up to speed on their responsibilities (and Agger would have been at fault the same if Hulse had missed it, as there was another player coming in behind him that Agger lost as well). It took Sami et al 6 months to get it right, so it will be difficult for others to slot in easily.

                        I'm more concerned by Players running straight at the CB's causing problems - Haifa both goals, and Sheff U in the first half made Sami look uncomfortable. Is Sissoko's destructive/defensive game a little too far up the pitch compared to Didi's (or Alonso's when he has that role to himself)?

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                          #13
                          What goals? All 2 of them yer mean?
                          I live with Steptoe.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Mumsafan
                            What goals? All 2 of them yer mean?
                            Well, we've conceded a goal in each of our last four games - Rafa won't be liking that I would imagine, but we are operating with a lot of new additions to the team and it'll take everyone a while to get back up to speed.

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                              #15
                              I think people (men) are over reacting. We went through all this worry last year. Letting in goals / not scoring any/ injuries etc etc. All worked out sound in the end
                              I live with Steptoe.

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