The paper that cannot be mentioned

[Farside]

He said "we should move on" and "that was his opinion." Pretty clear to me.

[Neil Young]

Ditto for me, re: the point in bold. I was very young at the time. There's only one person who can clarify what he meant by it. I would certainly welcome a debate and I wouldn't personally jump on anyone who wanted to discuss it, but people who hold the opposite view have to be very aware of how they present it. That's all.

So it appears.

Anyway, at least it seems many of us, including the incomparable Revo, hope Fredo comes back.

[murder_inc]

Its an extremely touchy subject and i understand i suppose, that people under the age of 18 and people not from around these parts (UK) will be, not so much unaware of the boycott but wont care as much as us scousers do.
It is still no excuse though to tell people to move on. That is not the action of a respected and well liked member of an LFC fans forum.
Im not willing to have ANY debate on the matter and neither are a lot of people who are personally affected by Hillsborough.

[Neil Young]

He said "we should move on" and "that was his opinion." Pretty clear to me.

So don't you think that leaves space to argue why we shouldn't "move on" and that there are good reasons for him to revise his opinion?

I fully understand it's a sensitive subject. Maybe Fredo thought he did but didn't.

[Laz]

It's important to discuss it as this educates and informs those who do not know the depth of feeling that this subject still raises. Unstructured attacks just lead to resentment.

As far as 'not having chance to explain' is concerned, it's a forum, you can't be shut up by people shouting them down. We have all the time we need to type a considered response. It's just that some people could do with taking a little more time than they do.

[Revo]

So you disagree with him. It's not like he was defending the rag itself.

I agree with you about not stopping the boycott but can it not even be talked about amongst ourselves?

time to move on is a direct quote when they tried to apologise. im not debating this any further. you have my thoughts

[lfcruleus]

He is entitled to his opinion even if it is wrong, but what reaction he expected i really dont know.

[Revo]

So it appears.

Anyway, at least it seems many of us, including the incomparable Revo, hope Fredo comes back.

NEIL WHATS WITH THE CHEAP SHOT

[Red Chilli]

What did the rumour say?

Looks like I've missed all the excitement again

[pr0ners]

All this is easily remedied. He has an opinion, right or wrong, ignorant/naive/misled whatever, there's no need to jump down someone's throat. Give them the facts, tell it from a personal point of view, explain to them the reasoning behind the boycott, the emotions involved, the injustice, and if they have any sense in them, they'll understand. From what I've read of Fredo's posts, he's not a bad guy, he probably just didn't understand how much this meant to people. Besides, how many posts have been made without really thinking about what you were writing? It certainly isn't going to be just his.

[AFII]

I think we should set up a forum with articles about what happened so everyone will know the truth. It should also be available to guests and not only members.

By that way everyone will have a chance to read about what happened.

[Red_hot]

I just wish people would disagree with others in a less aggressive manner. It's one thing disagreeing and it's another being abusive to someone. We had this debate before and I remember someone saying something similar to what Fredo did and RS4 did a really good post which wasn't in the slightest bit abusive but explained all about the strength of feeling against the Sun etc and how anyone who was at Hillsborough (which he was) feels about it now. Why couldn't people follow RS4's lead? He was there so if anyone understands he does, yet he didn't start abusing other posters that didn't.

Do people believe that being abusive is the way to educate someone? If they do then they are clearly lacking in intelligence. I genuinely don't believe that Fredo fully understands the hatred by Liverpool fans and Scousers towards The Sun. The same way he couldn't comprehend that there would be any trouble between Liverpool and Man Utd fans had they got to the final in Athens. In a way, how can he? He doesn't even live in this country never mind in Liverpool so how can he fully understand the hatred between Scousers and Mancs?

Anyone who was abusive towards him in that thread should be ashamed of themselves in my opinion. Disagree with someone fine but as soon as you start being abusive towards someone your argument just falls flat and people stop listening!

[Red Chilli]

I think we should set up a forum with articles about what happened so everyone will know the truth. It should also be available to guests and not only members.

By that way everyone will have a chance to read about what happened.

We've got enough forums. There's a website devoted to it which does a far better job than we would. It's better IMO to publicise the website than to attempt to imitate it

[Dhav]

I just wish people would disagree with others in a less aggressive manner. It's one thing disagreeing and it's another being abusive to someone. We had this debate before and I remember someone saying something similar to what Fredo did and RS4 did a really good post which wasn't in the slightest bit abusive but explained all about the strength of feeling against the Sun etc and how anyone who was at Hillsborough (which he was) feels about it now. Why couldn't people follow RS4's lead? He was there so if anyone understands he does, yet he didn't start abusing other posters that didn't.

Do people believe that being abusive is the way to educate someone? If they do then they are clearly lacking in intelligence. I genuinely don't believe that Fredo fully understands the hatred by Liverpool fans and Scousers towards The Sun. The same way he couldn't comprehend that there would be any trouble between Liverpool and Man Utd fans had they got to the final in Athens. In a way, how can he? He doesn't even live in this country never mind in Liverpool so how can he fully understand the hatred between Scousers and Mancs?

Anyone who was abusive towards him in that thread should be ashamed of themselves in my opinion. Disagree with someone fine but as soon as you start being abusive towards someone your argument just falls flat and people stop listening!

And the discussion ends there.

[Revo]

I just wish people would disagree with others in a less aggressive manner. It's one thing disagreeing and it's another being abusive to someone. We had this debate before and I remember someone saying something similar to what Fredo did and RS4 did a really good post which wasn't in the slightest bit abusive but explained all about the strength of feeling against the Sun etc and how anyone who was at Hillsborough (which he was) feels about it now. Why couldn't people follow RS4's lead? He was there so if anyone understands he does, yet he didn't start abusing other posters that didn't.

Do people believe that being abusive is the way to educate someone? If they do then they are clearly lacking in intelligence. I genuinely don't believe that Fredo fully understands the hatred by Liverpool fans and Scousers towards The Sun. The same way he couldn't comprehend that there would be any trouble between Liverpool and Man Utd fans had they got to the final in Athens. In a way, how can he? He doesn't even live in this country never mind in Liverpool so how can he fully understand the hatred between Scousers and Mancs?

Anyone who was abusive towards him in that thread should be ashamed of themselves in my opinion. Disagree with someone fine but as soon as you start being abusive towards someone your argument just falls flat and people stop listening!

dont hang me out to dry, i repeat dont do it