The paper that cannot be mentioned

[lfcruleus]

just when we thought it was all over look who arrives I would like to say this is the end of this topic for me but we know it wont ever be the end until 96 of our brothers and sisters get the justice they deserve and the great people of merseyside are unconditionally vindicated.
Having spoken to Fredo yesterday on MSN, he was again informed about my feelings and that i would not take back what i called him. If Red AL or Kaip, a couple of my mates made that statement then they would of received the same attention. Fredo is not as naive as some of you are trying to make out. He told me yesterday that he is aware of the sensitivity and he is entitled to his opinion. we were also on msn with a couple of other guys, whom were telling him to apologize and move on. I dont see why he should have to apologize for something that he believes in. In saying that, when somebody as "incomparable" (not my word, NY got the pm ) comes along and calls you on the subject, if your not going to apologize, then as Kaip says "you cant throw your toys out of the pram" and leave everyone else hanging. I make no apology's for any language that i use, if you need to look down your nose at me, i am not going to change nor is it my intention to try to make you like me, i am what i am without any pretensions and i will be ****ed if i am going to apologize for that. In closing, i have also told Fredo that if he left, that the site would be losing someone who actually contributes, funny thing, he said, can we still be friends? i told him that i don't stop being friends because of football arguments and thats not what real friends do.

Spot on that, im glad he came back as it really isnt worth getting stressed out about, both of you should stick to what you believe in other wise it wouldnt be a forum it would just be an agreement.

[Johnny]

Yes and no. As you rightly point out, their 'apology' was anything but unreserved and sincere. Yes, journalists have departed from the paper, but the guiding principles (if I can use that term) remain the same. It's still a piece of trash that puts sensationalism and sales way above dignity and the facts. It hasn't learned, it hasn't changed, it hasn't moved on; nor should we.

I recognise that people have a choice over whether they read that or any other newspaper. It's their right to exercise that in a free country. However, that doesn't mean that it should appear on a Liverpool FC forum to be seen by others.

For what it's worth, I think the majority of people here have given their points sensibly on the matter. It's always bound to arouse strong feelings and everyone should be aware that it's far more sensitive an issue than debating whether we should sign Eto'o or Torres.

So true,it`s coverage of that sad day and it`s blatant anti-Irishness mean i have not and will not ever buy (or read for free) this *****ehouse off a paper.

[Dero]

The way I see it is
a) Fredo made an error in judgement and has apologized for any offence caused, this is different to demanding an apology for the content of what he said because that is his opinion on the matter.
b) People have differing levels of grief over Hillsborough, I did not know anyone who tragically passed or even anyone that was there. However as a red and a human being i do reserve a special place in my heart for the 96, but i would never think that I could possibly understand what the families and friends of those affected by Hillsborough went and continue to go through every day of their lives.

[El Jefecito]

The way I see it is
a) Fredo made an error in judgement and has apologized for any offence caused, this is different to demanding an apology for the content of what he said because that is his opinion on the matter.
b) People have differing levels of grief over Hillsborough, I did not know anyone who tragically passed or even anyone that was there. However as a red and a human being i do reserve a special place in my heart for the 96, but i would never think that I could possibly understand what the families and friends of those affected by Hillsborough went and continue to go through every day of their lives.

Well said

And game over. Lock the thread now.

[Red_hot]

No need to lock the thread unless thats what everyone wants.

[El Jefecito]

No need to lock the thread unless thats what everyone wants.

I want it. The two positions are very clear and all that is being expressed are the two bipolar positions. I agree w/Both and all that is left is bitterness.

[Revo]

nope leave it open, even the locked thread should be opened

[El Jefecito]

nope leave it open, even the locked thread should be opened

I defer

[reddragon]

nope leave it open, even the locked thread should be opened

i agree

[Red_hot]

[MrMichael]

I don't get on the forums a lot due to the travelling I do, but when I see us behaving like this I would normally get pretty downhearted.

Three things that I think have come out of this:

1. The mods have been very mature and haven't jumped in heavy handed - thanks for that, it's very refreshing to see compared to some forums.

2. The level of feeling around Hillsborough is still extremely high and people who are either new to the club or live OOT (like myself) have to be very careful about the impact on others of what they say, regardless of what they meant.

3. There is actually hope for this circus This is my home since I have seen the light and left KT and I was getting pretty annoyed that we seemed to be arguing a lot these days. However the way this thread has run and the way we are sorting out our differences without resorting too much to mindless abuse is very encouraging.

If we can keep this up then the future might indeed be bright for est1892, just when I was beginning to think we were on a downhill slope.

I was pretty afraid to open this thread this evening, but overall what is a very emotional debate seems to have been being carried out frankly yet sensibly, which is quite encouraging.

I also think, in these circumstances, that the thread should remain open.

[Kaip]

IMO with the c + p of transfer rumours etc from other sites..........by all means post em BUT if they contain quotes from that rag then delete that part......it isn'nt really hard to do is it

[Revo]

theres a cracking post in here called dont buy the sun video and it only has 190 views, somebody gets called a **** and that thread gets over 2600 views sums it up for me really



WATCH THIS

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qFd4l-19doA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qHZ5BR2cHVs&mode=related&search=

[reddragon]

IMO with the c + p of transfer rumours etc from other sites..........by all means post em BUT if they contain quotes from that rag then delete that part......it isn'nt really hard to do is it

not much else needs to be said on that particular issue

[Konstro]

As it seems that situation with Fredo is explained I`d like to come back to the point I made yesterday: People have to be educated about what happened, people have to be told about all lies that were fabricated.

I checked polish supporters site yesterday www.lfc.pl . There is article about Hillsborough in a History section but it doesn`t say anything about boycott. I`m pretty sure that vast majority of users don`t even know about this.

Why is that important to tell them? The boycott is not only about buying ...... It is also about not using theirs website. I can suppose that some people looking for information would use .... site only because they don`t know.