Kuyt "needs to be dropped"

[Lecter]

How patronising.

Yes I know all that but I don't recall ever having a striker whose main job is to "destroy" and whose main asset is work rate.

Keegan, Rush et al all worked extremely hard - just as hard as Kuyt - and defended from the front. But they also offered a constant goal threat.

Kuyt scored in the region of 15 goals last season

Rush and Keegan were the focal points of those sides, they were the main goalscoring threats BUT they also had hard working players upfront alongside them that gave them chances and who in turn probably contributed circa 10-15 goals a season themselves

It would probably be fairer to compare Torres to those two strikers hes clearly the focal point of our attacking play

Kuyt in terms of goalscoring should probably be compared to the Toshacks, St Johns, Dalglish's

I suppose what I'm saying is that forward partnerships rarely have 2 players who are equally matched in terms of scoring ratios. One does the donkey work whilst the other puts away the chances

[anfieldanfield]

Thaere's some pretty ****ing patronising people in this thread.

We've watched Kuyt for over a season now, more than enough time to form considered opinion about Dirk's position in the squad. For what it's worth I, Shaggy and many others have been expressing doubts about that lad from pretty early on. This isn't exactly some angry, knee-jerk reaction to Style not giving us a pen.

Yes, his work rate is outstanding, impressive, phenomenal even. But that's not enough. We've got loads of 'workers' and 'grinders' in the squad, Riise, Sissoko, Carra, etc and not enough technically gifted footballers, with the spark, invention or imagination to change a game. That's been a major problem throughout the Benitez reign.

Someone earlier called his performance yesterday 'sensational'. That confuses me to the core.

Dirk has a big role to play this season and I admire him, I genuinely do, but at the same time I dont think any side has ever won the Premiership with a first choice striker posing so little of a goal threat as Dirk Kuyt. Have they ?

I'd be stunned if Dirk scores 15 goals this season, which puts immense pressure on Torres to score 25+ this season. A massive ask. I would much prefer Crouch and Torres to score 20 each.

For me it's Torres+1 this season and that +1 is a wide open three horse race.

[The Glove]

It makes me laugh that people come out and nwo and are saying, 'Id give suchnsuch a few games up top and rest Kuyt', yet you know that if that did happen, they'd be the first back on here moaning about them.

Kuyt did really well yesterday. They all did. Even Pennant who I cant stand.

[Pacman]

It makes me laugh that people come out and nwo and are saying, 'Id give suchnsuch a few games up top and rest Kuyt', yet you know that if that did happen, they'd be the first back on here moaning about them.

Kuyt did really well yesterday. They all did. Even Pennant who I cant stand.

[redlancer]

regarding Kuyt we need to look more at the partnership re goals and games won.

We're 2 games into the season with a new front player who yesterday scared the hell out of the Chav's and will pull defenders out of positions.

Is Kuyt the right man to play the 2nd striker?

Yesterday could argue we needed more support from the midfield to utalise the work of Kuyt and Torres but then we are playing Chelsea and baring the ref making a mistake they had little chances .

We have the likes off Babel and Yossi to come into play, even Kewell - all players that can hurt teams and fit into yesterdays system.

Kuyt is doing a job for the team at the expences of his stats IMO.

Long term things look good but how anyone can say drop Kuyt on the last couple of games is beyond me.

Yesterday we scared the chav's and had them rattled.

[bazza76]

How patronising.

Yes I know all that but I don't recall ever having a striker whose main job is to "destroy" and whose main asset is work rate.

Keegan, Rush et al all worked extremely hard - just as hard as Kuyt - and defended from the front. But they also offered a constant goal threat.

I totally understand what you are saying mate, but, until we have a squad that is top notch, which only happened this season, we have had to strengthen in other areas first.
I think Rafa is happy to settle for someone of Kuyts ability until we are in a situation where we are able to spend massively on luxury players, which should be happening arguably next summer maybe. This season is a bigger season that last season for Kuyt IMO.

[kop-al-74]

hahahahah you've only been here 11 days. If you don't like then you know where to go. If you read Scousertommy's reply he is actually talking about you and your type of ignorant comments about Kuyt.

ouch!

[Mattimetal]

If Kuyt hadn't have challenged that header (he had no right to win) yesterday we/Torres would never have scored....

Bear that in mind before you start accusing him of not performing, fact is he does perform but because he's asked to play a different role you don't see him perform enough in front of goal but rathermore in the lead up to attacking the goal.

[Red_Polo]

This isn't exactly some angry, knee-jerk reaction to Style not giving us a pen.

Thing is that's precisely what the initial post is.

[Pacman]

I find all this Dirk bashing pretty funny and It makes me think that some people on here know **** all about Association football.

[redlancer]

I'd be stunned if Dirk scores 15 goals this season, which puts immense pressure on Torres to score 25+ this season. A massive ask. I would much prefer Crouch and Torres to score 20 each.

For me it's Torres+1 this season and that +1 is a wide open three horse race.

Goals these days need to come from the midfield aswell.

Boro had a 40 goal a season player and got religated

I can't think of one team with 2 out and out goal scorers playing that way in the PL at the moment.

Scum aint got any at the mo and even when they had RVN they had a support players not strikers.

If Kuyt and Torres get any where near 40 goals between them i'd be more than happy.
We have bought Babel and Yossi to help chip in with the goals.

Can't comapare Kuyt to the likes of Rush and Keegan as he's doing a different role.

[kop-al-74]

I personally feel that although Kuyt is a very good footballer,he may only have his workrate and most times tidy football as his main strengths.Imo,we really need to have someone who scores tap ins and generally some ping pong goals.To score those type of goals you need to spend a little more time the box.It's obvious that rafa proberbly tells him to drop deeper, but into his own half?

We have monsters in midfield to deal with that stuff.

In Torres we have a superstar in the making and just by looking at the way he plays i'm convinced he will be the striker we have been missing since Owen.But we also need someone alongside him,maybe equally as fast but also with a goalscorers instinct.Or at least if he's not scoring,assisting a great deal with more direct instincts.

I think he's a good squad player and wouldn't really want to sell because there are gonna be games when his style alongside one up front will be required.

But for the majority of games i really think we should use Veronin instead.Yea,i know,we know **** all about him and he's unproven but theres something about the way he plays that i like.He seems a lot more direct and always seems find the right pass.Early days for him,but horses for courses i guess.

Also Crouch is someone that has nothing to prove to anyone.

I do compare Kuyt to Heskey and really,apart from the self confidence issues,there styles and strengths are quite similar.Good thing or not,i'm not sure.Sometimes Heskey was awesome,very rarely tho.

I have critisized Kuyt and if i'm totaly honest i really do think that he's just not quite good enough for a top,top team challenging for the biggest prizes in football.But he's ours and he's not going anywhere so lets get behind him when he plays,because i can't see how booing him can help at all.

Thats why i have removed my signature.

[Revo]

just read that chelsea had 56% of the ball yestreday. simply not good enough and along with kuyt, the manager, gerrard, carra and even the tea lady should be given a rest. btw kuyt has taken over as the new whipping boy from luis garcia and some of you ****s make me sick to my stomach

[tomasjj]

That chance was a reaction header, he did well to control it at all and forced a save.

I though Kuyt was outstanding yesterday, his agression, work rate and link-up play was superb.

Yeah, you might be right that it was a reaction one.
I don't remember properly the details of the situation.

Ha has missed a few similar ones, and easier ones, before though.

[dww]

just read that chelsea had 56% of the ball yestreday. simply not good enough and along with kuyt, the manager, gerrard, carra and even the tea lady should be given a rest. btw kuyt has taken over as the new whipping boy from luis garcia and some of you ****s make me sick to my stomach

I think you have identified the problem. If Styles had had a better half time brew he would surely never have given the penalty to Chelsea. Kuyt should have nipped in and given the man a hob nob to make it up to him.