Wenger & Rotation

[Craig_H]

Well I disagree the press never admit they are wrong.

You have your opinion I have mine. I don't really think you can have a healthy discussion with you mate it will just end with you talking down on me and making sarcastic comments so I think we should agree to disagree.

It's nonsense to say they never admit they are wrong. Firstly, the press is made up of numerous people, so to categorise them all together is silly.

Futhermore, it's all cyclical. They wrote off Arsenal and now they're coming back to lick their arses. It's what the press do.

If Rafa could actually win the league, they'd change their mind about him too.

It's all too easy to sit there and cry about them not liking us. It's also nonsense.

[Craig_H]

You really think the press will admit they were wrong?
They will change what they say to either "despite Rafas rotation" or simply not acknowledge their criticism. Exactly as happens when we start doing well and zonal marking/rotation are no longer mentioned.

I think that winning the league will change the tone and content of coverage about us but I think you are being exceptionally naive if you believe there would be a sudden out pouring of contrition from journos.

They report on what's going on at the time and attach themselves to something they can make a story out of.

The zonal marking thing went because it wasnt a story anymore - because we started winning.

The same would happen with rotation if we won the title. The story would become LFC winning the title for the first time in 18 years.

[Craig_H]

I agree some of them still bang on about zonal marking yet when was the last time we conceeded from a corner or a free kick?

See this is the thing - 'some of them'. Yeah, some do. Some dont. Some are quite intelligent, others arent.

Isnt that the nature of the world generally?

[Pacman]

It's nonsense to say they never admit they are wrong. Firstly, the press is made up of numerous people, so to categorise them all together is silly.

Futhermore, it's all cyclical. They wrote off Arsenal and now they're coming back to lick their arses. It's what the press do.

If Rafa could actually win the league, they'd change their mind about him too.

It's all too easy to sit there and cry about them not liking us. It's also nonsense.

Who is crying? I don't give a **** what they print I really couldn't careless. however I am entitled to my own opinion mate.

[dww]

They report on what's going on at the time and attach themselves to something they can make a story out of.

The zonal marking thing went because it wasnt a story anymore - because we started winning.

The same would happen with rotation if we won the title. The story would become LFC winning the title for the first time in 18 years.

What you are doing there is agreeing with me and Pacman by moving away from your original position. You implied the press would admit they were wrong about rotation which is what we were commenting on.

[Craig_H]

Who is crying? I don't give a **** what they print I really couldn't careless. however I am entitled to my own opinion mate. If you don't like it put me on ignore it's as simple as that.

Can't you understand that people may have a different opinion to your's? It doesn't make them silly and it doesn't mean we are sitting behind our computers crying we simply disagree with what you are saying just the same way you can disagree with me however I wont try and make you look a prat I will just accept your opinion and move on.

Me calling it silly is an expression of MY opinion too.

"In my opinion, that's silly"

[Craig_H]

What you are doing there is agreeing with me and Pacman by moving away from your original position. You implied the press would admit they were wrong about rotation which is what we were commenting on.

They would acknowledge that Rafa made it work. If you want to call that 'admitting they were wrong' then so be it.

[Pacman]

Me calling it silly is an expression of MY opinion too.

"In my opinion, that's silly"

Sorry edited my last post because I re-read yours and jumped the gun a little.

[Pacman]

See this is the thing - 'some of them'. Yeah, some do. Some dont. Some are quite intelligent, others arent.

Isnt that the nature of the world generally?

So you admit that some would carry on banging about Rafa rotating then?

[Craig_H]

Sorry edited my last post because I re-read yours and jumped the gun a little.

No probs.

[Craig_H]

So you admit that some would carry on banging about Rafa rotating then?

Well some might well do yeah, but that's not a representative of 'the press' IMO. Just like in everyday society, you'll get a minority of people who somehow do things differently to the majority.

You'll always get exceptions to the rule.

The more credible members of the media would have little choice but to comment on what would've happened - eg, Rafa's methodology proving to have been successful.

[Diego]

He's been labelled as someone who rotates too much to maintain the consistency required to win the title - and thus far, the evidence proves that view correct.

If he wins it, he'll have proven it wrong and the press will say so.

thats bull, the reason isn't rotation, we haven't had a good enough team to challenge untill now, and even now we might not be good enough in the long run...

[Sir Bob]

For me, Wenger rotates his squad as it should be done. He basically plays his best 11 for every game but plays a complete reserve team in the Carling & FA Cups. also if there are any dead games in Europe he rests players then. If a player is looking particularly tired he will rest him for a couple of games. What he doesn't do is change half the team for every match.

Wenger is a master of rotation in my book, whereas Rafa isn't.

As for press bias against LFC, don't make me laugh.

[Pacman]

For me, Wenger rotates his squad as it should be done. He basically plays his best 11 for every game but plays a complete reserve team in the Carling & FA Cups. also if there are any dead games in Europe he rests players then. If a player is looking particularly tired he will rest him for a couple of games. What he doesn't do is change half the team for every match.

Wenger is a master of rotation in my book, whereas Rafa isn't.

As for press bias against LFC, don't make me laugh.

Surely we will only know this at the end of the season not November though?

It could be argued that in Rafa's 3 seasons in England he has finished ahead of Wenger twice whilst still getting to 2 CL finals a carling cup final and winning an FA cup.

[dww]

For me, Wenger rotates his squad as it should be done. He basically plays his best 11 for every game but plays a complete reserve team in the Carling & FA Cups. also if there are any dead games in Europe he rests players then. If a player is looking particularly tired he will rest him for a couple of games. What he doesn't do is change half the team for every match.

Wenger is a master of rotation in my book, whereas Rafa isn't.

I think Rafas rotation helped an inferior squad finish above Wengers in the last two seasons. Actually I don't think that rotation can be viewed as a policy on it's own but the make up of the squad (and hence the purchases made by the managers etc.) all contribute to whether it works.

I think that in the past Rafas rotation has had some flaws in that he has had too much faith in certain players to come in. However in the long run I think his decisions have benefited us even if they have weakened us for individual games.

The difference in quality in squads and the amount of turnover the rejuvenation of our squad has required given the financial constraints Rafa has worked under and the comparatively short length of his stay so far has made comparisons difficult with the other top managers. I would hope that from this season on we would not be looking to overhaul large sections of our team but rather adding to a team which is strong in all areas. Once that is the case I think that a comparison which more or less isolates rotation (or style of rotation) between the various managers policies will be possible.