Porto and Marseille...

[Craig_H]

And I fail to see whats wrong with that.
The CL qualification was taken as granted and the money has been spent already on new players. Big clubs spend before they earn. If we dont qualify, he wont get the money and his position will be very insecure...

I dont think he's in danger of the sack purely from not getting through the CL group. Not if it happens on a one off basis anyway.

But it's his whinging about money that will endanger his position. He cant preside over a potential £20m loss of revenue and simultaneously ask for more money to spend. It just doesnt add up.

[Pacman]

And I fail to see whats wrong with that.
The CL qualification was taken as granted and the money has been spent already on new players. Big clubs spend before they earn. If we dont qualify, he wont get the money and his position will be very insecure...

Absolute rubbish

[Craig_H]

i was reading about the team a while ago and basically Hicks seems the kind of guy that is quite content to rake in profit from the club but not invest anything back, they kinda seem like newcastle, a great support, underachieving players but ultimately going no where cos the board wont let them buy new players

I'm sure he is that kind of bloke, he's looking from a business and money generating point of view. The crucial aspect will be if he can generate significant revenues (and profits) without the team being successful.

If he can, i'm sure he will. And that would mean he's not the right man for us.

[Pacman]

I dont think he's in danger of the sack purely from not getting through the CL group. Not if it happens on a one off basis anyway.

But it's his whinging about money that will endanger his position. He cant preside over a potential £20m loss of revenue and simultaneously ask for more money to spend. It just doesnt add up.

But I don't think he was whinging about money I think he wanted to discuss his options in Jan. It seems he has NO budget so he can't plan things. Remember Hicks and Gillett said they wont talk about in's and OUT's until they are over in December.

[Craig_H]

Absolute rubbish

If we dont qualify and he doesnt get the money....and he THEN goes on about it, then i do think his position might be in danger.

If he doesnt get the money but quietly gets on with it, then i dont think he'd be in danger of the sack.

Rafa though, isnt the quietly quietly type, if he doesnt like what's going on, is he?

[Craig_H]

But I don't think he was whinging about money I think he wanted to discuss his options in Jan. It seems he has NO budget so he can't plan things. Remember Hicks and Gillett said they wont talk about in's and OUT's until they are over in December.

Yeah but you have to see it from G&H's point of view as well. Until they know what's gonna happen with the CL, they cant really commit to a budget, because it's all inter-related. I think that's why they wont discuss it until mid december - the Marseille game is december 11th, so by then they'll know either way.

A solution might be an 'option 1' budget based on CL qualification and then a contingency budget if it goes wrong in the CL. Whether they're looking at this type of solution or not, i obviously dont know.

[Le Chacal]

Absolute rubbish

And I thought you would slightly change your mind after the owners comments.
Well, you clearly have no clue about football today.
His position will be in danger if we dont qualify, then he will have to get a top 2 spot to save his job.

[Pacman]

Yeah but you have to see it from G&H's point of view as well. Until they know what's gonna happen with the CL, they cant really commit to a budget, because it's all inter-related. I think that's why they wont discuss it until mid december - the Marseille game is december 11th, so by then they'll know either way.

A solution might be an 'option 1' budget based on CL qualification and then a contingency budget if it goes wrong in the CL. Whether they're looking at this type of solution or not, i obviously dont know.

Surely that should have been done at the start of the season?

[Craig_H]

Surely that should have been done at the start of the season?

Rightly or wrongly, i dont think the possibility of going out of the CL in the group stage would've even been considered at the start of the season.

[Pacman]

And I thought you would slightly change your mind after the owners comments.
Well, you clearly have no clue about football today.
His position will be in danger if we dont qualify, then he will have to get a top 2 spot to save his job.

You sir are an idiot.

We are not ****ing Real Madrid.

If we don't qualify for the next round of the CL Rafa's budget might be less but to say his job is insecure smacks of someone who has an agenda against him.

[Pacman]

Rightly or wrongly, i dont think the possibility of going out of the CL in the group stage would've even been considered at the start of the season.

I disagree they should plan for every eventuality.

[Craig_H]

I disagree they should plan for every eventuality.

Of course they SHOULD. It doesnt occur to me that they did though.

I agree that they should've done, but that's why i said 'rightly or wrongly'.

[Le Chacal]

You sir are an idiot.

We are not ****ing Real Madrid.

If we don't qualify for the next round of the CL Rafa's budget might be less but to say his job is insecure smacks of someone who has an agenda against him.

Keep your insults for your mate my friend...
Yes we are LFC and any manager who wouldnt qualify for the CL 2nd phase would be in danger.
Only football ignorants like you fail to understand that.

[Frank Leroux]

Rightly or wrongly, i dont think the possibility of going out of the CL in the group stage would've even been considered at the start of the season.

I think if I were in G+H's shoes, looking at a team which reached the CL final twice in the last three seasons and then had £40+ mill spend reinforcing that team...you'd figure you're on fairly safe ground assuming progress out of the group stages.

[Morph]

Keep your insults for your mate my friend...
Yes we are LFC and any manager who wouldnt qualify for the CL 2nd phase would be in danger.
Only football ignorants like you fail to understand that.

me thinks you forget that before Rafa we weren't even guaranteed CL football at all in any form