Rafa Leaving?

[The Glove]

I dont think it's pointless. I also dont think it'd make any real difference.

If it makes people feel better then there's ONE point in doing it, isnt there?

So no, i didnt say i think it's pointless. Easier if people didnt go around assuming they know what i think. Especially when they misread my posts so badly.

You dont need to piss all over the thread. Construct your posts clearly and then no one will have a go at you because then everyone will know what you are on about. Its easy enough, everyone else manages it. Now, back on topic please.

[Craig_H]

I'm not pissing on anything, i asked a question and every fecker jumped all over me for doing so.

[reddragon]

DJS I'd love to have this discussion, let's you and I continue this in PM and leave the thread to the purpose for which it was started.

good lad speedy

[Kopite_Colin]

Maybe a Shankly quote should be pointed out to them:

" In Football you have a holy trinity, the players, the manager and the supporters, the directors are just there to sign the cheques"

I think the above is an excellent idea....coupled with chanting of ALL the managers names we've had since Shankly.. culminating in the loudest RAFA BENITEZ chant you've ever heard. Almost irespective of the result on Wednesday. Actually thinking about it - doing it even if we lose on Wednesday would send all sorts of messages to G & H.

Maybe we should throw a few players chants in as well...Yeats..Hughes...Keegan..Dalglish..Souness.. Rush...Fowler...to show the support throughout the ages.

I'm no blind Rafa supporter (as everyone on here knows) but even I think he needs our support right now.

G & H Need to watch & learn. Same as they did on the Barcelona night. Not to get all "us and them" but they need to understand you don't f*ck with us Scousers without a fight. We'll give you a chance to show some respect, and we'll even forgive you if you make a mistake..but you don't take us for granted and you certainly don't trample on one of us and expect us to take it lying down.

RAFA BENITEZ.......RAFA BENITEZ.......

YNWA

[thesilverfoxlfc]

If he goes i will be devastated

I hope they just give him the money what the fook is Parry doing these days he's never on camera anymore and rarely see him in the media

[AFII]

If he goes i will be devastated

I hope they just give him the money what the fook is Parry doing these days he's never on camera anymore and rarely see him in the media

He is doing the work Rafa should be doing. That's what all this is about.

[El Jefecito]

I think the above is an excellent idea....coupled with chanting of ALL the managers names we've had since Shankly.. culminating in the loudest RAFA BENITEZ chant you've ever heard. Almost irespective of the result on Wednesday. Actually thinking about it - doing it even if we lose on Wednesday would send all sorts of messages to G & H.

Maybe we should throw a few players chants in as well...Yeats..Hughes...Keegan..Dalglish..Souness.. Rush...Fowler...to show the support throughout the ages.

I'm no blind Rafa supporter (as everyone on here knows) but even I think he needs our support right now.

G & H Need to watch & learn. Same as they did on the Barcelona night. Not to get all "us and them" but they need to understand you don't f*ck with us Scousers without a fight. We'll give you a chance to show some respect, and we'll even forgive you if you make a mistake..but you don't take us for granted and you certainly don't trample on one of us and expect us to take it lying down.

RAFA BENITEZ.......RAFA BENITEZ.......

YNWA

I see where you are coming from Col, I kind of see this as, old school liverpool, football centric, vs., US style, money / corporate culture centric.

Rafa and Hicks rightly or wrongly are the figureheads for each.

[kurtangle01]

The Daily Star, yes I know, is running a story tomorrow about Rafa being sacked because the yanks have came to the conclusion that he's not capable of winning the league.

After 13 matches unbeaten that has to be one of the most laughable articles to date but what do you expect from such ****e like that?

[blacky]

This will just drag on until the united game.............I can't understand why they don't just get on a private jet and fly over for the Porto game. Why wait till dec?

[desertscouser]

Why are people trying to analyse the last statement? It means absolutely f**k all. I don't even know why they bothered.

[Morph]

This will just drag on until the united game.............I can't understand why they don't just get on a private jet and fly over for the Porto game. Why wait till dec?

because beating porto doesn't solve whatever the holdup in the meeting is?

[El Jefecito]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article2936732.ece

I think our fans should be making the most of the 'Your Say' section!

[Nicey]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHF5OvjAxgU

[Nicey]

From another site.....

Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett,

It has been eight months since the custody of our club was passed into your hands and, though we would much rather have waited until a full, year-long term was completed before we assessed your performance, we here at Liverpool Pies feel that recent developments with regards to your ever-deteriorating relationship with Rafa Benitez mean such an assessment should be carried out immediately.

Upon receiving control of our club in March, we were publically promised in your many press conferences and interviews that the following four things would be carried out:

1) Investment in the playing squad, and the long-term future of our biggest stars to be secured.

2) That the development of a new, world-class stadium would be carried forward until completion.

3) That full support and co-opertion would be afforded to our manager, Rafa Benitez.

4) That in carrying the club forward, the long-standing traditions embedded in our club would be upheld as they are by the previous management, the current manager and players, and the match-going supporters.


Firstly, we are delighted at the considerable effort and expenditure that was carried out in securing future contracts for many of the club’s leading stars. We were grateful that the importance of players such as Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Pene Reina, and Xabi Alonso was recognised in the offering of new terms.

We were equally pleased at the extensive outlay made on bringing new players to the club. In particular, the capture of Fernando Torres, Yossi Benayoun and Ryan Babel showed a willingness and happiness to back Rafa Benitez not only in the transfer market as a whole, but also in securing his first-choice players – something that was sadly missing in his previous summer dealings.

However, further to the second point, we echo Rafa Benitez’s recent comments about the way transfer dealings operate in Europe. This is not, after all, an American sport, where the construction of a squad happens during the off-season, and the off-season only. Football, and in the Premier League in particular, is an ever-changing game, and those left behind in their transfer dealings are more-often-than-not the same sides left behind in the race for silverware. Failing to strengthen in the areas we are lacking, and those that have, we are sure, been identified by Rafa Benitez, will only lead to us falling off the pace in the league title.

Furthermore, for all the summer outlay, we do not feel that it is right this be used as an excuse to avoid spending come January. The summer outlay of nearly £50 million must be offset by the over £20 million that we have recouped through the selling of players alone, not taking into account the wages saved through the release of some high-earning players.

On the point of the development of a new stadium, we can find no faults, and our thanks must be extended for the continued efforts in bringing a new, world-class stadium to our club. We must also offer our gratitude in the involvement of the fans in considering the importance of the Kop, and also in developing a suitable memorial to the Hillsborough disaster. While the elevated costs are of general concern, we are hopeful that this will not affect the future of the playing-side of the club.

However, we are deeply alarmed by the recent interaction with Rafa Benitez. This is a man who, on all previous occasions, you have back publicly. Mr Hicks, you yourself have said only recently that Rafa’s ability “should be unquestioned”, while on your arrival at our club described him as “a fresh thinker”, “a smart guy and great tactician”, and as “the man we want”.

Over the past week, though, we feel your treatment and lack of backing for Rafa has been wholly unacceptable. While Mr Benitez was probably wrong to air his grievances in public, we feel that your statement in response was nothing short of juvenile and undermining. We remind you that Mr Benitez has brought considerable success to this club – success that, at the time of his arrival, no Liverpool fan could have imagined. We remind you that the loyalty of Liverpool fans will continue to side with Mr Benitez, and that any attempts to undermine him to the club’s fans, players or the nation’s will not be tolerated by us – the fans that weekly pump money into the club and your pockets. We remind you that, for all the work you have done over the past few months, the direct or indirect removal of Mr Benitez from his post will be met by supporter protest. We remind you that Liverpool is a club that supports its players and managers. We remind you that we will not be reduced to a joke by your public dealings. None of this is the Liverpool way.

We finally remind you that, regardless of the money, contracts or job titles, you nothing more than guests at Liverpool Football Club. We remind you that this is our football club, not yours. We remind you that, while you have the power to remove Mr Benitez at your will, we ultimately have the power to remove you. We remind you that Liverpool Football Club is bigger than you.

Sincerely,
Liverpool Pies

http://www.liverpoolpies.tv/2007/11/..._hicks_an.html

[Nicey]

from what i've been reading all day the situation seems like this:

1. After the Arsenal game they all met and was hunky dory, but Foster Gillett was never seen again.
2. Rafa has only had slight contact [usually via email] with G&H since then
3. During international window Rafa does what he normally does - work on trnasfers. When he informs G&H what he's set up [incl. Mascher deal] they've backed off and told him to concentrate on coaching the team until Dec 16th
4. During all this there is talk of problem between G&H regarding funding of the stadium. Prices have gone up and Hicks wants to negotiate a big loan secured against the club while Gillett wants to keep his promise not to do this. There is talk of another billionaire bidder buying Hicks out [thus letting him buy Roma]
5. Parry and Rafa haven't seen eye-to-eye for ages. Parry is a supreme political being, and it seems he has the inside track with G&H, to the point that he will be dealing with transfers from now on. Remember Rafa once bollocked him for being deadly slow when negotiating transfers thus meaning we lost targets we were in for.

Rafa is no politician. He is a football manager par excellence. He is now as frustrated as he was during the last season at Valencia, because other people are making it impossible for him to realise his ambitions for the club. HE WILL NOT WALK UNTIL THE END OF THE SEASON. But he will try to push for what he wants until then, albeit in a rather childish manner. From lots of reports coming in from various sources, his position is extremely perilous, and he could be sacked before Dec. 16th. WE CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN

Great post All I can say is I would be spitting fire literally if anything like this happened and in fact I am getting that way now. Somebody somewhere needs to officially make a joke regarding the circus and officially draw a line under it