Rafa backs down?

[sonsofthedesert]

Not with loans? So you expect them to pay cash? You're cray/unrealistic



Very interesting.

Not loans against the club my mistake.[/QUOTE]

They would not be able to get an unsecured loan of that size. Also the tax advantages of the loan against the club is benefitial, you really shouldn't talk about things you don't understand.

[Red Chilli]

Not loans against the club my mistake.

Have they made loans against the club? I'd be interested in your evidence

Also, what's the net total spend so far this year?

[dww]

I didn't expect any fantasy budgets. Just a new owner that would back Rafa with around £30m-£40m net/year. That's not fantasy. That's what should be available for a manager at a club like Liverpool.

I also expected our new owner to let Rafa do his job in selling and buying players.

I also expected them to pay for the new stadium, not with loans but with a long term strategy to get the money back from success on the pitch and selling the name of our new stadium.

Nothing more or less than that.

If you ask me we spent at a very decent level considering the level of debt being wiped out and the stadium being funded. I think that £30m-£40m nett a year is a fantasy to be honest. It may be possible some years when the stadium is finished but even the likes of United rarely spend that and they get millions more than us in gate reciepts already.

I don't see why people are so unwilling to accept loans. Thats how big business works.

Your expectations are too much, they are a fantasy IMO. To be fair it was a fantasy G&H fuelled but that was always a mistake on their part.

The only place I think you may have a point is with giving Rafa the freedom to do his job, or at least putting in place a communication system that allows him to do deals with an intermediary he trusts (essentially a Dein to his Wenger) and that the owners trust too.

[Red_hot]

Sort it out Alun.

[Skillz]

Not loans against the club my mistake.

They would not be able to get an unsecured loan of that size. Also the tax advantages of the loan against the club is benefitial, you really shouldn't talk about things you don't understand.[/QUOTE]

Sorry AFII but he is right.

[Red Chilli]

IN:

Damien Plessi(Lyon, Undisclosed), Peter Gulacsi (Mk Hungaria, Loan) Charles Itandje (Lens - Liverpool, Undisclosed) Torres (A Madrid, £20.2m), R Babel (Ajax, £11.5m), Y Benayoun (West Ham United, £5m), L Leiva (Grêmio, £6m), N Mihaylov (Levski Sofia, undisc), A Kacaniklic (Helsingborg, undisc), K Nemeth, A Simon (both MTK Hungaria, £100,000 each), D Pacheco (Barcelona, £350,000), D Amoo (Millwall, undisc), M Purie (B Dortmund, undisc), M San José (A Bilbao, £270,000), A Voronin (B Leverkusen, free), M Alexandrov (CSKA Sofia, undisc), R Crowther, B Robinson (both Stockport County, undisc)

OUT:

Miki Roque (Xerez CD, Loan) Nikolay Mihaylov (FC Twente, Loan), Gabriel Paletta (Boca Juniors, Undisclosed) Jimmy Ryan (Shrewsbury, Loan), Scott Carson (Aston Villa, Loan) Lee Peltier (Yeovil, loan), C Bellamy (West Ham United, £7.5m), F Sinama Pongolle (R Huelva, £2.7m), D Cissé (Marseilles, £8m), L GarcÍa (Atlético Madrid, £2.7m), R Fowler (released), A Hammill (Southampton, loan)

IN = 43.43 million plus 8 undisclosed fees.
OUT = 20.9 million plus 1 undisclosed fee.

So that's 22.53 million so far this year AFII ignoring all the undisclosed fees.
So you'll be happy for us to spend 7.47 million net this window eh?

[Pablo]

What I am saying is that all these people have no idea like the rest of us but it seems some people take it as gospel and run off with it and add bits.

Agreed, its turned into a giant game of Chinese Whispers.

[tomasjj]

I know AFII sprouts some bollocks, but I see no point in venting your frustrations on him.

[sonsofthedesert]

****ing hell.

I know AFII sprouts some bollocks, but I see no point in venting your anger on him.

I'm not mate it is just he is adding bits to stories, treating everything he reads as fact and going on about it. It would be great if we all calmed down. The bit about who he wants to own the club is just funny.
Also I am not angry, I would just love people to chill and wait to see instead of us all working each other up, this is all that happens.

[Red Chilli]

****ing hell.

I know AFII sprouts some bollocks, but I see no point in venting your anger on him.

But it's not on him is it? It's on what he writes

[sonsofthedesert]

Agreed, its turned into a giant game of Chinese Whispers.

I want to add after this comment I was not starting on Fredo.

[Pablo]

I want to add after this comment I was not starting on Fredo.

Fredo and Whispers - I can almost hear Pacman salivating with all this talk of chocolate bars.

[sonsofthedesert]

Fredo and Whispers - I can almost hear Pacman salivating with all this talk of chocolate bars.

[kewellnthegang]

****ing hell.

I know AFII sprouts some bollocks, but I see no point in venting your anger on him.

a lot of people on here post ****e

if it wasnt for my posts and generally "bigging" myself up and putting my self out as a friend of the stars so that everyone was impressed i wouldnt bother
meself

[Lecter]

If you ask me we spent at a very decent level considering the level of debt being wiped out and the stadium being funded. I think that £30m-£40m nett a year is a fantasy to be honest. It may be possible some years when the stadium is finished but even the likes of United rarely spend that and they get millions more than us in gate reciepts already.

I don't see why people are so unwilling to accept loans. Thats how big business works.

Your expectations are too much, they are a fantasy IMO. To be fair it was a fantasy G&H fuelled but that was always a mistake on their part.

The only place I think you may have a point is with giving Rafa the freedom to do his job, or at least putting in place a communication system that allows him to do deals with an intermediary he trusts (essentially a Dein to his Wenger) and that the owners trust too.

I have no problem with the stadium being funded through loans it was fairly obviously they would get a loan for this secured against the clubs assets / income and naming rights

The thing I do object to is them heaping their personal loans from the takeover onto the club (if they do go down this route which appears likely)

They did afterall promise that the finance of this purchase wouldnt be like the Glazer deal didnt they?