New stadium update...

[Michael]

Relax guys...

£180m for the updated design extras? No way...

I'm an Architect, I work in Manchester now & have known people & have worked with ex AFL staff (the people who designed the original ****e stadium)...

In my experience (& I've been a qualified architect for over 10 years now) the design changes are nowhere near £180 worth...

It willl be more expensive; thats inevitable (thanks to the Chinese!) but I'm sure G&H have accounted for this... It will be built & unlike the crap AFL Design it will be uniquely ANFIELD

My friend, please do not make statements like this and pretend to be an authority on the matter.

The new design carries a significant risk (cost). The cladding system looks extremely expensive, there are large areas of structural glazing and some significant unsupported cantilevers. All significant cost items over the original design.

Also, the ability to expand will also have cost implications.

Contractors risk allowance has also increased with the 'unique' design....

You're an Architect, which means you have little idea how much or how buildable such a structure would be.

Please do not mislead members who will take your comments in good faith.

Now go back to your door schedule!

[sonsofthedesert]

Wasn't the original stadium supposed to cost £80m then that cost went up to£180m. The £300m quoted was the original cost of the new design when it was announced wasn't it?

[tomasjj]

I've not heard anything else today as I've been at the match but my take on all this is that the AFL re-design is a fall-back option if Statler & Waldorf can't raise the finance for the HKS stadium.

They probably reckon most fans will still be happy if they announce in a couple of weeks that they want to give Rafa more funds in the transfer market to push for Number 19 yet still have a 70,000+ capacity from the cheaper design.

Nope.
If they now backtrack on the Stadium issue, after the recent spats with Rafa and the fans, their position will really be starting to crumble.

Not that I can't see their reasons with the current financial market trends, but then they are not the people we wanted as owners as they seem to lack the financial clout.

[Kenneth]

I wouldn't complain if they decided to change the design to lower costs. The economic climate has changed. The fancy dan starship one is great, but if they can build a big stadium for 50+ million less, it's a no brainer really. I wouldn't hold it against the yanks really.

[AFII]

Nope.
If they now backtrack on the Stadium issue, after the recent spats with Rafa and the fans, their position will really be starting to crumble.

Not that I can't see their reasons with the current financial market trends, but then they are not the people we wanted as owners as they seem to lack the financial clout.

I don't think it's a coincidence that all this sacking Rafa **** and the problem to finance the more expensive stadium happen at the same time.

I think G&H never had any intent to sack Rafa but they leaked that out to cover up their problems to finance the expensive stadium. That would fill in a lot of blanks.

Some fans will now be happy with the cheaper stadium if it means that Rafa stays long term.

G&H used the media and our love to Rafa IMO. It may work, who knows?

[Skillz]

I don't think it's a coincidence that all this sacking Rafa **** and the problem to finance the more expensive stadium happen at the same time.

I think G&H never had any intent to sack Rafa but they leaked that out to cover up their problems to finance the expensive stadium. That would fill in a lot of blanks.

Some fans will now be happy with the cheaper stadium if it means that Rafa stays long term.

G&H used the media and our love to Rafa IMO. It may work, who knows?

Can you PM me your dealer's phone number?

[AFII]

Can you PM me your dealer's phone number?

0875 CRAZY THEORIES.

[Morph]

I don't think it's a coincidence that all this sacking Rafa **** and the problem to finance the more expensive stadium happen at the same time.

I think G&H never had any intent to sack Rafa but they leaked that out to cover up their problems to finance the expensive stadium. That would fill in a lot of blanks.

Some fans will now be happy with the cheaper stadium if it means that Rafa stays long term.

G&H used the media and our love to Rafa IMO. It may work, who knows?

I don't think that washes really, all that does is give them two different problems with the fans when they could have just had one, you're reading too much into it

[sonsofthedesert]

I don't think that washes really, all that does is give them two different problems with the fans when they could have just had one, you're reading too much into it

[Lecter]

Either way, a new 70,000 design surely means another planning application, which means further delays? Losing faith in the yanks rapidly.

Not 100% certain but I think we currently have two approved planning applications

There was an interview with a local councillor sometime ago and he stated that IF they hadnt approved the new revised application the club could always go ahead with the initial application

I'm not completely certain but I think both applications will need a further application for increased capacity to 70,000 plus

[ntto]

Not 100% certain but I think we currently have two approved planning applications

There was an interview with a local councillor sometime ago and he stated that IF they hadnt approved the new revised application the club could always go ahead with the initial application

I'm not completely certain but I think both applications will need a further application for increased capacity to 70,000 plus

I'm not convinced it works like that. The second planning application is a replacement for the first one is it not? If the club decides they want to build the first one then they can revert back to the original application. I would have thought there can only be one "active" application per lot

[Lecter]

I'm not convinced it works like that. The second planning application is a replacement for the first one is it not? If the club decides they want to build the first one then they can revert back to the original application. I would have thought there can only be one "active" application per lot

That makes sense and ties in to what the councillor said

We had the previous application approved, if the revised was wasnt approved they go back to the initiall application

The second one being improved means it replaced the initial application

[Morph]

That makes sense and ties in to what the councillor said

We had the previous application approved, if the revised was wasnt approved they go back to the initiall application

The second one being improved means it replaced the initial application

i'm not sure that's the case, if both have been approved, i don't think one becomes unapproved

[Lecter]

i'm not sure that's the case, if both have been approved, i don't think one becomes unapproved

[Lecter]

I don't think it's a coincidence that all this sacking Rafa **** and the problem to finance the more expensive stadium happen at the same time.

I think G&H never had any intent to sack Rafa but they leaked that out to cover up their problems to finance the expensive stadium. That would fill in a lot of blanks.

Some fans will now be happy with the cheaper stadium if it means that Rafa stays long term.

G&H used the media and our love to Rafa IMO. It may work, who knows?

Think you are over-estimating them to be honest