New stadium update...

[bazza76]

My friend, please do not make statements like this and pretend to be an authority on the matter.

The new design carries a significant risk (cost). The cladding system looks extremely expensive, there are large areas of structural glazing and some significant unsupported cantilevers. All significant cost items over the original design.

Also, the ability to expand will also have cost implications.

Contractors risk allowance has also increased with the 'unique' design....

You're an Architect, which means you have little idea how much or how buildable such a structure would be.

Please do not mislead members who will take your comments in good faith.

Now go back to your door schedule!

haha was actually thinking something similar myself. I would have no idea how much the changes would cost, only think I could do would be guess they are expensive. I am no quantity surveyor. Nor have I ever had to price anything.

[paulc]

dammit. The thing is should Hicks be struggling then i think there is truth in the rumours he wants out, in which case DIC will buy him out and all will be well again!

DIC would not be good for liverpool fc

look at their portfolio of businesses they have..

[ntto]

i'm not sure that's the case, if both have been approved, i don't think one becomes unapproved

its not that it becomes unapproved, rather superceeded.

Look at it from another angle, if it wasn't superceeded then theoritically theres nothing stopping the club building two stadiums (if the land was big enough and there was no physical overlap). I'm sure there are rules to stop this from happening.

Each application will be linked to a folio (i.e. a piece of land), with the most recent application being the "active"

[Morph]

its not that it becomes unapproved, rather superceeded.

Look at it from another angle, if it wasn't superceeded then theoritically theres nothing stopping the club building two stadiums (if the land was big enough and there was no physical overlap). I'm sure there are rules to stop this from happening.

Each application will be linked to a folio (i.e. a piece of land), with the most recent application being the "active"

well of course you wouldn't be able to build both because there will be boundaries for where the stadium is built, so it would be impossible.

Possibly tho if neither plans are called in and both are approved, assuming circumstances haven't changed then the only thing i can see stopping us using old plans would be if the planning permission has a time limit that could run out

[rushscored4]

Not 100% certain but I think we currently have two approved planning applications

There was an interview with a local councillor sometime ago and he stated that IF they hadnt approved the new revised application the club could always go ahead with the initial application

I'm not completely certain but I think both applications will need a further application for increased capacity to 70,000 plus

That makes sense and ties in to what the councillor said

We had the previous application approved, if the revised was wasnt approved they go back to the initiall application

The second one being improved means it replaced the initial application

I seem to recall, Lecter, that when I announced the news about AFL being replaced by HKS back in March you said there was no way we could apply for a greater capacity than the 61,000 that had already been granted...

[sonsofthedesert]

If they were to apply for a 70,000+ bowl shape it would be a whole new app simply because it would be a new footprint and substancial change.

[Kaip]

Thanks again Iain for passing on this info in good faith

[Kaip]

My friend, please do not make statements like this and pretend to be an authority on the matter.

The new design carries a significant risk (cost). The cladding system looks extremely expensive, there are large areas of structural glazing and some significant unsupported cantilevers. All significant cost items over the original design.

Also, the ability to expand will also have cost implications.

Contractors risk allowance has also increased with the 'unique' design....

You're an Architect, which means you have little idea how much or how buildable such a structure would be.

Please do not mislead members who will take your comments in good faith.

Now go back to your door schedule!

[Revo]

if its on hold then someone should go and put a few of the trees back they pulled out

[Mr Tourette]

My friend, please do not make statements like this and pretend to be an authority on the matter.

The new design carries a significant risk (cost). The cladding system looks extremely expensive, there are large areas of structural glazing and some significant unsupported cantilevers. All significant cost items over the original design.

Also, the ability to expand will also have cost implications.

Contractors risk allowance has also increased with the 'unique' design....

You're an Architect, which means you have little idea how much or how buildable such a structure would be.

Please do not mislead members who will take your comments in good faith.

Now go back to your door schedule!

its clear that the additional costs will be very significant. Aside from architectural detailing, at the most basic level - because the old stadium was a soul-less generic **** and the new one was completely unique.

Whatever happens i think LFC fans should do everything in their power to ensure that the stadium retains some form of individuality - ie the new kop - as the new design does to dramatic effect. We will regret it if we dont.

In 10 or 20 years these new generic style stadiums of the last 5 or 10 years will be hated much more than they already are. They are a sad reflection on todays money hungry game. bosh up a cheap stadium that seats as many as possible and make as much money as possible.

save the kop.

[Michael]

if its on hold then someone should go and put a few of the trees back they pulled out

[Michael]

its clear that the additional costs will be very significant. Aside from architectural detailing, at the most basic level - because the old stadium was a soul-less generic **** and the new one was completely unique.

Whatever happens i think LFC fans should do everything in their power to ensure that the stadium retains some form of individuality - ie the new kop - as the new design does to dramatic effect. We will regret it if we dont.

In 10 or 20 years these new generic style stadiums of the last 5 or 10 years will be hated much more than they already are. They are a sad reflection on todays money hungry game. bosh up a cheap stadium that seats as many as possible and make as much money as possible.

save the kop.

I think the most important point, which our American friends understand is that there needs to be a focal point within the stadium. It helps with two areas.

1. A focal point, such as the KOP, helps to develop an atmosphere; in essence the KOP is responsible for the atmosphere of the stadium. This provides an ‘atmospheric’ direction, the KOP sings and in theory other follow. If there is no focal point then all you get is sporadic chanting and a whole lot of white noise. Emirates Stadium!

2. The KOP is a marketable item and as such can generate identity, brand loyalty and cash….. If you a member of the KOP, you’re a member of something special and you’ll happily pay for that! Or pay to be associated with it!

But you're spot on mate, I dont think to myself I'd love to go to the Emirates Staduim..... it is, and i quote you, "sad reflection on todays money hungry game"

[Attilladahun]

The bigger picture is surely more important -whilst we all would want an amazing stadium there is no point in taking on board rediculous borrowing if the alternative costs 50% less with the same income stream

Hell we don't want to be a Leeds

Better be more solvent and £ for players.

Not a popular option of course but then again financial prudence never wins any popularity contest.

We could of course sell our soul to a supermarket

[Lecter]

I seem to recall, Lecter, that when I announced the news about AFL being replaced by HKS back in March you said there was no way we could apply for a greater capacity than the 61,000 that had already been granted...

Think you will find that I said an increased capacity would only be approved if they improved the infrastructure in the area (ie the Bootle train line)

That is still the case, any approval of an increased capacity will be subject to improving the infrastructure

Maybe my memories going

[redhendrix]

well of course you wouldn't be able to build both because there will be boundaries for where the stadium is built, so it would be impossible.

Possibly tho if neither plans are called in and both are approved, assuming circumstances haven't changed then the only thing i can see stopping us using old plans would be if the planning permission has a time limit that could run out

I think the position is that a planning permission is not 'active' until development has actually commenced, so you could have two or more consents for the same land waiting to be implemented.

Every outline planning permission will have a 3 year condition requiring a detailed application to be submitted within that period and every detailed permission is subject to a condition that it lapses after 5 years if development has not commenced.