Wigan Post Match

[Guest]

bollocks fredo, you wade in with your bull**** when we lose/draw and posters are losing their cool...............you thrive on it

So I shouldn't post then ? What's not the bull**** then ? Just tell me if I'm the only one who posted drivel in here.

[Red Chilli]

He won the CL with Porto. Well Rafa did that with us. He won the Portugese league. Rafa won the Spanish league. Which leaves what he achieved at Chelsea.

Which was what? Win the league twice, yeah. But how? With more money that any other club has EVER spent, by a huge margin. Chelsea were something like £350m in the negative during those 2 years. We are simply not, and never will be, in that position, so far in the history of world football only 1 manager has ever had that level of financing in such a short space of time.

I repeat. He plays defensive football. He rotates as much as Rafa. He plays similar formations, and has similar ideas about the technical and tactical areas of the game. Plus, he has no class. His reputation is as much self-made hyperbole as it is fact in my mind.

He's a winner Michael, that's the difference to me. Rafa's a top bloke, lovely guy, huge amount of respect for him, happily invite him round to my place anytime. I can't say the same for Jose, but he knows how to set up a team to win tough games. He knows how to win ugly, that's something I don't think Rafa has.

[Shaggy]

He won the CL with Porto. Well Rafa did that with us. He won the Portugese league. Rafa won the Spanish league. Which leaves what he achieved at Chelsea.

Which was what? Win the league twice, yeah. But how? With more money that any other club has EVER spent, by a huge margin. Chelsea were something like £350m in the negative during those 2 years. We are simply not, and never will be, in that position, so far in the history of world football only 1 manager has ever had that level of financing in such a short space of time.

I repeat. He plays defensive football. He rotates as much as Rafa. He plays similar formations, and has similar ideas about the technical and tactical areas of the game. Plus, he has no class. His reputation is as much self-made hyperbole as it is fact in my mind, and he would bring no guarantee of a league title. No manager brings that.

We have major problems but to sack Rafa and replace him with Mourinho would be ridiculous.

Not to mention scandalous. As I've said many times on here before, I would sick to the pit of my stomach if he was ever employed by LFC. Sick to the pit of my stomach.

[Jaymo]

not good enough.. a when you have the biggest bunch of ******s sitting behind you!

first of all they wer'nt evan scouse! and then they started having a pop at a supporter who was from birmingham...basically saying why doesnt he support birmingham and all that, woolyback... and he goes the game week in week out!

This women starts stickin up for this fella, who these two cunts of the highest order, where having a go at.. they turned round to her and started giving her ****, asking her if she knew the offside rule... not on.

Secondly.. know the words to the ****ing songs.. what made me laugh, they started singin, do you want a hymm sheet? NO YOU ****ING NEED A HYMM SHEET.. ******s

and dont get me started on the game!

[JohnDoe]

Mate you don't need to say things slowly perhaps you need to open your eyes though. You are having a laugh comparing us with Arsenal. The table doesnt lie! I think they scored a good 10 mins before the end too-the point is why not bring on another striker to finish the game off and give them time to get into the bleedin game instead of expecting (hoping) something miraculous is going to happen in the last few minutes. How many times has that happened this season? I think he got it wrong.

I'm not comparing us to Arsenal, I'm simply pointing out that the number of strikers in the team does not = attacking intent, it does not = more goals and it does not = more chances to score. It simply has nothing to do with it.

You could argue that Arsenal have more quality in the team and that's why they're top of the table. That is correct, however, what the **** does that have to do with Rafa's tactical decisions?

Had we won the game and that's FACT. NOBODY would have moaned. Had Gerrard cleared that ball, or had we scored just ONE MORE GOAL from the various chances we created, NONE of this doom and gloom would have surfaced. The frustrating thing is to admit that we failed to win even though our manager had nothing to do with it.

Mancs clinged on to a 1-0 lead this season so many times it's not even funny. They get away with it because they are experts of the simple things you need to do in football to create your own luck. We don't have the same confidence, we have not been champions for 17 years, they do not have that fear of freak accidents happening to them.

[AFII]

He won the CL with Porto. Well Rafa did that with us. He won the Portugese league. Rafa won the Spanish league. Which leaves what he achieved at Chelsea.

Which was what? Win the league twice, yeah. But how? With more money that any other club has EVER spent, by a huge margin. Chelsea were something like £350m in the negative during those 2 years. We are simply not, and never will be, in that position, so far in the history of world football only 1 manager has ever had that level of financing in such a short space of time.

I repeat. He plays defensive football. He rotates as much as Rafa. He plays similar formations, and has similar ideas about the technical and tactical areas of the game. Plus, he has no class. His reputation is as much self-made hyperbole as it is fact in my mind, and he would bring no guarantee of a league title. No manager brings that.

and look at his tactics when he is being outsmarted by Rafa, long hoof balls to Huth.

[Kopite_Colin]

Hello my friend. I think you may well be right......

[kurtangle01]

I'm not saying I'm always right. I get pilloried for not going with the grain here. Who said I'm a fountain of knowledge ?

You're frustrated, so I am. But I'm not blaming it on Rafa or Stevie or Carra or whoever. Would you be pleased if your manager sacked you for trying to do your best ? Now tell me.

Tell me when did I say he should be sacked? I haven't said that once. What I said was that I can understand why the team was booed and I don't blame paying supporters for doing so.

It hasn't been good enough, fredo. Surely you can see that? Rafa, yes Rafa not a new manager, has to make improvements in the teams attitude and how we approach games.

I want Rafa here. I like him as a man and a manager. I don't like results like tonight when we fail to capatalise on a 1-0 lead when we've got two games in hand to keep ourselves in the title race.

We've shot ourselves in the foot yet again tonight and the race for fourth is back on as it seems to be every year.

[Guest]

Fredo - we're seriously considering having a holiday this year in Mauritius.

We should meet - you're not going to be a cock in real life are you?

Well why bother if you think I'm a cock ?

[JohnDoe]

Because they're MILES better than we are!

And trust me, that is REALLY hard for me to say

Because they're good enough, and we're not

Is this Rafa's fault?

With the money he has spent, trying to catch up the other teams, is this his fault?

If it is, call for his sacking. Go on.

[L10]

I'm more pissed off at some of the decision making on the pitch. I always see teams play a quick forward pass and then shield the ball whereas we ALWAYS bass sideways or backwards.

Even Derby played some one touch football.

I'm deeply disappointed in the team today but not Rafa. He must be well pissed with the players although he should have made some subs earlier.

Crouch on for the last 10 minutes is not good enough.

It should have been Alonso and Pennant off with Benny and Crouch on at the 60 minute mark.

got to agree with that We had some piss poor passing again today.Our defence ****s it self when other team attacks and then they ****up/hoof the ball up field.
It's the same old,today I seen Pepe about 3 times all match and 1 of them was when they scored.We don't seem to be learning from the same bloody mistakes.
We are just not ready for it...

[Guest]

At this present time no. Managers should not go mid-season. However I do think Rafa has not progressed us in terms of the PL. Give him the money and let's see what he can do. I would give him the money in Jan and the Summer and then one more season to get bloody close. However I doubt the Yanks will wait that long. Sadly, unless there is a miracle this season he'll be gone in August or before.

We're progressing. For me it's clear. Our football is better and we have more options in attack. If you coldly look at the table and just deduct from there, you ain't getting nowhere mate. The problem is, Manure, Chelsea and Arsenal ain't standing still either and unless we're spending money and getting the best players we won't be catching up fast enough.

[L10]

Well why bother if you think I'm a cock ?

disco luvs the cock

[disco]

Well why bother if you think I'm a cock ?

I'm only messing with you Fredo

I think everyone's a tad stressed because, let's face it, that's our title ambitions over. 33-1 on Betfair now

[FatTony]

Yes, because Kuyt, Voronin and Crouch are all natural goalscorers, right?

That's why they have better goalscoring records than Gerrard for example.

Because playing this:






Would have been better than this:

Reina
Finnan Arbeloa Carragher Aurelio
Alonso Mascherano
Pennant Gerrard Kewell
Torres

Even though this:

Reina
Finnan Arbeloa Carragher Aurelio
Pennant Alonso Gerrard Kewell
Kuyt Torres

Actually on the pitch, looks like this:

Reina
Finnan Arbeloa Carragher Aurelio
Alonso Gerrard
Pennant Kuyt Kewell
Torres

And sometimes, this:

Reina
Finnan Arbeloa Y Carragher Aurelio
U Alonso Gerrard T
Pennant K Kewell
Torres

And since Kuyt (or Voronin, or Crouch) is just so much better than Gerrard in that role behind the striker, and since Mascherano is an inferior defensive midfielder to Gerrard, playing the "4-4-****ing 2" would have clearly given us that chance to win. It would have clearly helped Gerrard to clear that ball from the box better, and would have helped us finish our clear cut chances to score, chances which were created in the "ultra defensive" 4-5-1 formation, right?



Yeah, ok.

You are crazy. Are you honestly saying that Gerrard is better up front than Crouch? Are you honestly saying that our 2 strikers are not natural goal scorers????

They may not be the BEST strikers in the world, but I can tell you now that Crouch is a natural goal scorer....

Yes,

Reina
Finnan Arbeloa Carragher Aurelio
Pennant Alonso Gerrard Kewell
Crouch Torres

would have been better against Wigan than this

Reina
Finnan Arbeloa Carragher Aurelio
Alonso Mascherano
Pennant Gerrard Kewell
Torres

Alonso and Gerrard work well together in the centre and know how to play this way blindfolded.