Doug Ellis on Gillett and Hicks

[Guest]

you'd be right not to expect him to be a financial guru he always looks like a man who's happy he's managed to dress himself in the morning

So he deserves the bashing ?

[-V-]

Deadly Doug doesnt get enough credit for what he's done. He knew his financial limits and the clubs limits, he kept Villa stable and sold them onto a good man

[Tom]

Ouch.

Moores and Parry really did screw up if someone like Doug Ellis was able to see through Gillett whereas they didn't.

I know it's really sobering aint it.

[Guest]

Deadly Doug doesnt get enough credit for what he's done. He knew his financial limits and the clubs limits, he kept Villa stable and sold them onto a good man

Easy to say in hindsight. It's easy opening his mouth when things go wrong for other clubs and when his club are riding the crest of a wave.

[Guest]

I know it's really sobering aint it.

Well, where were the financial advisers ? What were they advising ?

It's simplistic laying all the blame onto Moores and Parry.

[andyhanrahan]

So he deserves the bashing ?

no parry deserves the lynching moores just deserves to hand over every single shekel he made from the deal to a special fund which only the Liverpool manager can access to buy players

[Tom]

Well, where were the financial advisers ? What were they advising ?

It's simplistic laying all the blame onto Moores and Parry.

Maybe they did warn them.

[Sarb]

Couldn't give a **** if Moores was unwell or loves Liverpool. He has ****ed up consistently and this time on a major scale. ****ing useless prat. Still ain't got the backbone to stand up and say something...just in case he loses his Life Presidency or whatever he was made.

I would think better of him if he came out and said yeah I made a mistake, a massive mistake and I'm stepping down from my position. But as usual...looking out for himself, just like he wanted a bigger profit

[Red Chilli]

Villa was a lot cheaper
Villa didn't need to build a new stadium

If Moores hadn't needed to build a new stadium, he could have held onto LFC longer.
Sad fact

[Sarb]

Villa was a lot cheaper
Villa didn't need to build a new stadium

If Moores hadn't needed to build a new stadium, he could have held onto LFC longer.
Sad fact

Even if the DIC deal was ****ed up, it didn't mean he had to sell to the Yanks. I find it hard to believe you can sell a club you love and be fooled into thinking no debt would be put on the club. Either Moores and Parry didn't check these lot out properly, or they were fooled. When selling the club they should have checked everything....obviously they didn't

[Venton]

Even if the DIC deal was ****ed up, it didn't mean he had to sell to the Yanks. I find it hard to believe you can sell a club you love and be fooled into thinking no debt would be put on the club. Either Moores and Parry didn't check these lot out properly, or they were fooled. When selling the club they should have checked everything....obviously they didn't

What made you think at any point that someone was going to buy the club for a huge chunk of change and not want it back?

[Red Chilli]

Even if the DIC deal was ****ed up, it didn't mean he had to sell to the Yanks. I find it hard to believe you can sell a club you love and be fooled into thinking no debt would be put on the club. Either Moores and Parry didn't check these lot out properly, or they were fooled. When selling the club they should have checked everything....obviously they didn't

Sarb, I'm not defending the sale to H&G, I'm simply saying you can't compare LFC and Villa and still retain and sense of credibility.

[Sarb]

Sarb, I'm not defending the sale to H&G, I'm simply saying you can't compare LFC and Villa and still retain and sense of credibility.

Not comparing Liverpool and Villa. However, I'm pointing out how bad a decision they made. I just can't comprehend or understand how you can make such a bad decision over something you care a lot about as Moores did. Poor health is not an excuse. You've got to be more considered making such huge decisions

[Red Chilli]

Not comparing Liverpool and Villa. However, I'm pointing out how bad a decision they made. I just can't comprehend or understand how you can make such a bad decision over something you care a lot about as Moores did. Poor health is not an excuse. You've got to be more considered making such huge decisions

He was desperate. DIC pulled out, H&G bid was on the table, accept it before they walk away too.

Probably something like that

[jrd7]

Every thing that has ever happened to our club since 1892, both on and off the pitch - the highs, the lows and the disasters, contributed to our "mystique", our aura, paid for a 45,000 seater stadium and we were still minus £40mill. We've now got to start all over again to pay for someone else to pay for the club.

The way we were sold in 5 minutes, the not returning of DIC's phonecalls, meeting of agreed deadlines, his extra 8million, the family silver ****e. Need I go on - all he had to do, and I mean all, is check out these cunts, not from meeting them, but how about spending a mere £100,000 af his lottery win to pay some a professional to find out about them?

**** me, I work in business development and have to constantly check the clients I deal with, I and have no idea why there are no conditions in the sale relating to placing debt on the club etc. We panicked. Who's ****ing fault is that? The minimum I expected and every thing attached to the club deserved, is absolute basic competence in what they were doing.

There are loads of great reds out there, but if any one of them did something to hurt my family, I wouldn't care that they were a red.

When the best you can say about a management team is that they were incompetent, then that needs to be acknowledged in my book, and not swept under the carpet because they're good reds who didn't want to hurt the club - it makes it worse that they are, but didn't see the need to protect us.