Harry Kewell laughing and joking minutes after the final whistle....

[Morph]

who cares, i mean really, Harry Kewell laughing, ****in hell lets get the cops in and send his arse to jail, ffs find something decent to report

On a side note was this writen by barret? If it was there's somethinga about his style of writing I don't like. And also we want to be kept out of the papers don't we yet there's always an exclusive of his plastered over the front page of the echo. Seriously I reckon we've had more front page coverage than back page coverage in the last few weeks, and most of them are his stories.

[Guest]

Who buy / read these papers ?

[Neil Young]

Idem.

Oooh, I didn't know you knew Latin.

I wonder if this will now be deleted as a result of more heavyhanded modding.

[jonesie]

who cares, i mean really, Harry Kewell laughing, ****in hell lets get the cops in and send his arse to jail, ffs find something decent to report

On a side note was this writen by barret? If it was there's somethinga about his style of writing I don't like. And also we want to be kept out of the papers don't we yet there's always an exclusive of his plastered over the front page of the echo. Seriously I reckon we've had more front page coverage than back page coverage in the last few weeks, and most of them are his stories.

You know what mate, I agree with you.

I probably shouldn't be saying this because I've only been there a few months, and I'm only part-time, but I've not been happy with the way they've been reporting stuff recently.

Everything seems to be sensationalised all the time, and it whips all the fans up into a bit a frenzy. I don't think it's neccessarily Tony's fault but more the headlines and layouts etc. It's been a bit mad over the last few weeks.

[Morph]

Who buy / read these papers ?

people in liverpool? being the echo and all

[Guest]

people in liverpool? being the echo and all

I meant that if people weren't buying them and weren't as avid to what is printed, they would have changed their style. People just love the sensationalism these days, it keeps them busy and gives them something to talk about.

I never read the local papers here (Mauritius). Couldn't care what's going on and just live my life.

[Skillz]

I would have kept it as status quo before he came back with Arbeloa and Riise on the Left and Finnan and Benayoun or pennant on the right and eased him in but never given him a game. His performances don't warrant it now and haven't in previous games. Since we've had a perceived balance set-up with 2 Wingers we've done feck all with this team.

Ok. Riise has pulling up trees at LB and LW this year, for sure.

who cares, i mean really, Harry Kewell laughing, ****in hell lets get the cops in and send his arse to jail, ffs find something decent to report

On a side note was this writen by barret? If it was there's somethinga about his style of writing I don't like. And also we want to be kept out of the papers don't we yet there's always an exclusive of his plastered over the front page of the echo. Seriously I reckon we've had more front page coverage than back page coverage in the last few weeks, and most of them are his stories.

Some one needs to have a word. You can't pull a player up on stuff like this without disclosing the comment and the context. Last thing we need IMO.

[Morph]

You know what mate, I agree with you.

I probably shouldn't be saying this because I've only been there a few months, and I'm only part-time, but I've not been happy with the way they've been reporting stuff recently.

Everything seems to be sensationalised all the time, and it whips all the fans up into a bit a frenzy. I don't think it's neccessarily Tony's fault but more the headlines and layouts etc. It's been a bit mad over the last few weeks.

Seems to me like they are no better than the nationals now, and of course are just interested in shifting papers. I don't remember it always being this way.

The whole klinsman stuff came out officially as a result of his article didn't it?

I'm not suggesting he shouldn't report the truth, but it was his exclusive with hicks that kickstarted all of this if I recall correctly, just seemed to me that he took great delight in revealing all this **** in one of his exclusives, when he knew exactly what was going to happen.

[Morph]

I meant that if people weren't buying them and weren't as avid to what is printed, they would have changed their style. People just love the sensationalism these days, it keeps them busy and gives them something to talk about.

I never read the local papers here (Mauritius). Couldn't care what's going on and just live my life.

thing is tho mate, i doubt you local paper has much stuff about LFC in it, does it? let alone being all over the front page.

People in liverpool who support LFC trust the echo and what it says and when they see a story on the front page they'll buy it. It make no difference to me, we get it delivered every day so it's not like I go out of my way to buy it.

But I find it hilarious when you have guys like Ian Rush, Kenny, Tommy Smith, writing for the paper and saying things like keeping LFC off the front pages and putting them back on the back pages is what we need, when the paper they are writing for has our business all over the front page.

[jonesie]

Seems to me like they are no better than the nationals now, and of course are just interested in shifting papers. I don't remember it always being this way.

The whole klinsman stuff came out officially as a result of his article didn't it?

I'm not suggesting he shouldn't report the truth, but it was his exclusive with hicks that kickstarted all of this if I recall correctly, just seemed to me that he took great delight in revealing all this **** in one of his exclusives, when he knew exactly what was going to happen.

Yeah it all came from his interview. To be fair to him (and I'm not defending him because I hardly know him really) that story was an amazing one. Hicks just let the Klinsmann thing slip without meaning to, and Rafa knew about the story before it was printed.

I think if Bascombe was still there it would be the same to be honest. There is a hell of a lot of stuff going on at the club and, like it or not, it sells papers.

[Guest]

thing is tho mate, i doubt you local paper has much stuff about LFC in it, does it? let alone being all over the front page.

People in liverpool who support LFC trust the echo and what it says and when they see a story on the front page they'll buy it. It make no difference to me, we get it delivered every day so it's not like I go out of my way to buy it.

But I find it hilarious when you have guys like Ian Rush, Kenny, Tommy Smith, writing for the paper and saying things like keeping LFC off the front pages and putting them back on the back pages is what we need, when the paper they are writing for has our business all over the front page.

I was talking about newspapers in general mate.

As for the rest, yeah I know what you mean, but as a rule people (starting with the players and manager) should ignore it or take what they say with a pinch of salt.

We should make our own assumptions.

[Red Chilli]

I was talking about newspapers in general mate.

As for the rest, yeah I know what you mean, but as a rule people (starting with the players and manager) should ignore it or take what they say with a pinch of salt.

We should make our own assumptions.

NEVER assume fredo

[Morph]

Yeah it all came from his interview. To be fair to him (and I'm not defending him because I hardly know him really) that story was an amazing one. Hicks just let the Klinsmann thing slip without meaning to, and Rafa knew about the story before it was printed.

I think if Bascombe was still there it would be the same to be honest. There is a hell of a lot of stuff going on at the club and, like it or not, it sells papers.

I think bascombes a tit as well, but that's by the by.

Yeah I know it sells papers, you would think tho being a paper in the city and probly produced by at least 50% lfc fans, they would want to try and help things get back to a bit of normality, and report some proper ****ing news for a change. You know like people getting shot, knifed etc, the non football fans who buy the paper must be getting really sick of it.

[Marky]

This has f**ked me right off...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/01/31/west-ham-1-liverpool-0-100252-20417846/

ON A DAY when Liverpool fans were asked to back a scheme which would see them have to come up with £5,000 a man to support their club, it probably wasn't the best time for the team to produce a performance which must have left many in the away end wondering why they even bother buying a ticket.

If it's bang for your buck you're looking for then you're more likely to get a bigger return from buying shares in Northern Rock than you are from following the Reds at present.

Yesterday, 3,000 of Liverpool's most loyal fans made the trip to London's east end from Merseyside, paying a hefty £43 for a ticket alone – and all they got back was the latest instalment in their club's ongoing crisis.

If the first half promised little, the second delivered even less as Liverpool conceded a last minute penalty which Mark Noble struck home with the kind of confidence so many of Rafa Benitez's players are clearly lacking.

The fact that the Hammers were in such a position owed everything to Liverpool's chronic inability at set pieces.

This time it was one of their own – rather than one of the opposition's – which cost them a vital goal as a Fabio Aurelio corner resulted in a West Ham breakaway which ended only when Jamie Carragher scythed down Freddie Ljungberg as the former Arsenal man bore down on goal.

Referee Alan Wiley had no option but to award a penalty and this time even Pepe Reina was unable to deny West Ham from 12 yards.

In the current climate it is all too fitting that Liverpool's defeat should be self-inflicted because for the last three months the club has shot itself in the foot time and time again.

To go from title talk to crisis talk in the space of just 12 weeks is an incredible downturn and the worst thing is it seems no-one at Anfield is prepared to do anything to arrest the decline.

The only hope being clung to is that DIC will come to the club's rescue and rid it of all the negative forces which are currently dragging it deeper and deeper towards an all too predictable nadir.

But unless and until that happens, Liverpool are faced with the stark prospect of seeing a season which promised so much culminate in nothing but abject failure.

Forget Champions League qualification if their winless run in the league goes on for much longer. Their target for the season will be the booby prize that is the UEFA Cup.

Everyone at Liverpool must take responsibility for that – the absentee owners who have sent shockwaves of uncertainty rippling through the club; those who not only handed them the keys to Anfield, but also rolled out the red carpet; the manager who has failed to deliver on his promise to create a title challenging side and the players who have allowed themselves to be distracted by the ongoing circus off the pitch.

Each and every one of them can make a case for their own defence and each and every one of them can offer excuses and point fingers at one another. Make no mistake about it, this is exactly what is happening now.

An outbreak of blame culture means no-one is taking responsibility and the weakness this creates means Liverpool are in danger of imploding.

It's not about ill fortune or the fates conspiring against you, it's about failing to take control of your own destiny and giving inferior opponents an open invitation to kick you when you're down.

This is Liverpool in 2008 – a club lacking in direction, leadership and conviction.

The malaise on the pitch since November may have been masked by the ongoing farce off it. But now the mask has slipped and what is there for all to see is that this Liverpool side is far from being good enough.

You don't have to look at the league table to realise this – although seventh place in the Premiership, 17 points behind the leaders tells its own sorry story – you just have to look at the way they are performing.

The fact is there is not a single player operating in a wide position for Liverpool, either in defence or attack, who would get anywhere near Manchester United's and Arsenal's squads, never mind their teams.

The sight of Harry Kewell avoiding tackles and continuously failing to beat his man is almost as shocking as the fact that he actually gets picked at all. Not that his fall from grace seems to bother the Australian if the sight of him laughing and joking in the bowels of Upton Park just minutes after such a sickening defeat is anything to go by.

Kewell is far from being alone, though. Apart from the usual suspects there are too many who wear the Liver Bird upon their chest as if it's little more than a flag of convenience.

They don't look as if they care for the club and they certainly wouldn't shed blood for it. To some, their very presence in the current Liverpool team is an insult to those who have gone before them and, on the evidence of last night and far too many games in recent weeks, it would be impossible to disagree with that.

But then that goes for the club as a whole, because a club which is run well produces a team which plays well. It is a simple equation which served Liverpool incredibly well throughout their glory years and one which they seem to have forgotten as they stumble around from one crisis to the next.

A year ago yesterday, Liverpool beat West Ham but lost the affections of DIC.

If last night's reversal signals those fortunes are about to be reversed it might just stop Liverpool's kamikaze descent towards implosion.

FFS, that's ridiculous to single out one player

[jonesie]

I think bascombes a tit as well, but that's by the by.

Yeah I know it sells papers, you would think tho being a paper in the city and probly produced by at least 50% lfc fans, they would want to try and help things get back to a bit of normality, and report some proper ****ing news for a change. You know like people getting shot, knifed etc, the non football fans who buy the paper must be getting really sick of it.

You should hear the many moaning Everton fans who call!

You're right though. The thing about the debt that was reported on the day of the Villa game was needless. Everyone knew we'd end up in debt when the Yanks came in, but splashing it all over the front page (and loads of pages inside) and the timing of it just made things worse. As soon as I saw the front page I almost phoned my mate and said I didn't want to go to the game that night because I knew how bad it would be.