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    #556
    Originally posted by Dalglish View Post
    I'm not saying that because he clearly has done some things wrong. Tonight though shows why there is no better man for us at present IMO
    Tonight was fantastic - what's changed though?

    Superb in europe, mediocre in the league. Nothing we didnt already know.

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      #557
      Originally posted by DJS View Post
      Tonight was fantastic - what's changed though?

      Superb in europe, mediocre in the league. Nothing we didnt already know.
      Sack him. Get someone in who's neither or given the time to be both.

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        #558
        Originally posted by Dalglish View Post
        I'm not saying that because he clearly has done some things wrong. Tonight though shows why there is no better man for us at present IMO
        I don't think he's done much wrong mate. He's trying to do what he did at Valencia, where he was chopping and changing and was winning for fun. It was a tried and tested formula which worked in a very strong league, that's normal why he's doing it here.

        Of course, there are slight things that he probably had all wrong, but name me a manager who doesn't ? He'll learn and turn us into a championship winning side soon, I'm certain of that.

        As regards last night's match, as you said, he got it right and outsmarted a very tactical team. We were totally dominant, passed the ball well and were patient.

        I guess Rafa's tactics are less effective in the Premier League at the moment, because teams rarely sit back and disrupts our tactical rhythm.It's all a learning process for Rafa.

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          #559
          Originally posted by fredo View Post

          I guess Rafa's tactics are less effective in the Premier League at the moment, because teams rarely sit back and disrupts our tactical rhythm.It's all a learning process for Rafa.
          i know what the response will be to this fredo, he's had long enough to learn, sack him, etc

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            #560
            Originally posted by Ron_Mexico View Post
            i know what the response will be to this fredo, he's had long enough to learn, sack him, etc
            Lol mate, and I know who'll be the usual suspects.

            A manager has to be given time and we should cut him off the unneeded and ridiculous pressure. 3 1/2 years is very short and certainly not sufficient to instill his mentality right through the team and staff. It has to be ingrained, and everyone has to work in unison believing what the manager is doing. There'll be bumps on the road, but that should not diffuse us from what Rafa's trying to achieve.

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              #561
              And the premier league being not so 'tactical', it has to be pointed out that neither Fergie nor Wenger are renowned for their tactical prowess.

              Great managers yes, but I don't think they're in Rafa's league as regards tactical nous.

              It's all a terrain where Rafa needs to learn and adapt some of his methods to the culture here.

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                #562
                Originally posted by fredo View Post
                Lol mate, and I know who'll be the usual suspects.

                A manager has to be given time and we should cut him off the unneeded and ridiculous pressure. 3 1/2 years is very short and certainly not sufficient to instill his mentality right through the team and staff. It has to be ingrained, and everyone has to work in unison believing what the manager is doing. There'll be bumps on the road, but that should not diffuse us from what Rafa's trying to achieve.
                totally agree, the amount of work he has fit into those 3 1/2 years is astonishing. improving the scouting network, improving our academy, signing top young players in direct competition with the biggest and best clubs in the world, clearing out the deadwood from the houllier era, improving our squad, sussing out the americano's, 2 CL finals in 3 years, FA cup, 82 points, defensive records, win streak records, etc. if you think back to houllier's last season and compare it to now we are light years ahead (no were not, were still struggling for 4th :whatever

                given time i think we will get there and have the basis to be successful for years to come. that's what the 'i want it now' crowd don't seem to understand, he is building for the long term, modernizing a club that was lagging behind

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                  #563
                  Originally posted by Ron_Mexico View Post
                  totally agree, the amount of work he has fit into those 3 1/2 years is astonishing. improving the scouting network, improving our academy, signing top young players in direct competition with the biggest and best clubs in the world, clearing out the deadwood from the houllier era, improving our squad, sussing out the americano's, 2 CL finals in 3 years, FA cup, 82 points, defensive records, win streak records, etc. if you think back to houllier's last season and compare it to now we are light years ahead (no were not, were still struggling for 4th :whatever

                  given time i think we will get there and have the basis to be successful for years to come. that's what the 'i want it now' crowd don't seem to understand, he is building for the long term, modernizing a club that was lagging behind
                  well said mate
                  "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                  "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                    #564
                    Originally posted by Harveybirdman View Post
                    well said mate
                    stephen malkmus

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                      #565
                      Originally posted by Ron_Mexico View Post
                      stephen malkmus


                      he's a legend in my eyes
                      "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                      "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                        #566
                        Originally posted by Harveybirdman View Post


                        he's a legend in my eyes
                        he is in mine as well

                        i wish i could play guitar like him

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                          #567
                          Originally posted by Ron_Mexico View Post
                          totally agree, the amount of work he has fit into those 3 1/2 years is astonishing. improving the scouting network, improving our academy, signing top young players in direct competition with the biggest and best clubs in the world, clearing out the deadwood from the houllier era, improving our squad, sussing out the americano's, 2 CL finals in 3 years, FA cup, 82 points, defensive records, win streak records, etc. if you think back to houllier's last season and compare it to now we are light years ahead (no were not, were still struggling for 4th :whatever

                          given time i think we will get there and have the basis to be successful for years to come. that's what the 'i want it now' crowd don't seem to understand, he is building for the long term, modernizing a club that was lagging behind
                          The Rafa haters are not interested in facts, logic, or talking sense. Rafa has become the filter through which everything bad about the club is squeezed through. Its easier to focus on the bad stuff. No one is claiming he is perfect but he deserves respect.
                          "I watched the Champions League quarter-finals and the way they crushed Arsenal. Only the greatest and the best can play such a match.
                          The Future is Red!

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                            #568
                            Originally posted by Harveybirdman View Post


                            he's a legend in my eyes
                            I thought the picture was of a young grant mclennan from the gob's.
                            "I watched the Champions League quarter-finals and the way they crushed Arsenal. Only the greatest and the best can play such a match.
                            The Future is Red!

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                              #569
                              Originally posted by carlton View Post
                              I thought the picture was of a young grant mclennan from the gob's.
                              nah, its the Malk

                              The Go-Betweens are one of my favourite bands though
                              "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                              "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                                #570
                                Originally posted by carlton View Post
                                The Rafa haters are not interested in facts, logic, or talking sense. Rafa has become the filter through which everything bad about the club is squeezed through. Its easier to focus on the bad stuff. No one is claiming he is perfect but he deserves respect.
                                that's my biggest issue with his detractors, they show him absolutely no respect and speak about him as if he's taking us down to the championship. reading some of the comments about him i'm embarrassed what a spoiled bunch knobs some of our fans are

                                He's not perfect and infuriates me at times with his selection policy and substitutions, but there is a bigger picture and if you can't see his quality and the fantastic job he has done since he's been here then frankly you're better off playing football video games so you can have your instant gratification

                                there's no one out there i would rather have as manager. i see martin o'neill and jose mourinho touted as the saviours and i just don't get it. maybe someone can tell me why they are better- real tangible reasons, none of this 'mourinho knows how to win' and 'martin o'neill is british so he'll win us the league' bull****. yeah mourinho knows how to win with the most expensive squad in history. people seem to forget he got booted out of his job because chelsea played **** football and stagnated under him- didn't he come into the league the same season as rafa- didn't last long did he, and that was with all the resources he could ask for. and that's just the football, he's an attention whore and classless prick- just the kind of man i want in charge of Liverpool ffs. martin o'neill has done well making smaller clubs competitive, and winning the two club scottish league but taking the liverpool job would be a whole different kettle of fish, something i don't think he is capable of. i think he's found his level at villa

                                sadly i think rafa will be gone at the end of the season anyway
                                Last edited by Ron_Mexico; 20-02-08, 08:52 AM.

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