I think ive just lost my passion.

[Harv]

I just feel empty after watching that.

We should have put 4 past the cunts, and you just knew they were going to score at the end........it had "just one of those days" written all over it from the start To compound it the Mancs always give someone a flogging when we get beaten like this. Its as if its written beforehand that this will happen.

Its almost as if we a cursed, every time we get close, we then go on a **** run, and find ourselves 20 pts off the top.

I just dont know what to do anymore, Im struggling to really get fired up to watch us. It just hurts too much at the moment. Seeing those players run around...not giving a ****. Even Carra, the one you could always depend on, doesnt seem to be himself. I would really like to know whats happening behind the scenes. I feel so sorry for Rafa. Yeah, he makes some utterly baffling decisions sometimes, but he cares about this club as much as all of us do. He looks a broken man at the moment out there.

Rafa is gone. Its as clear as day, the players know it too. What else could explain the complete lack of fight for the shirt.

[-V-]

Tuesday is gonna be ****in wierd. Not sure what to expect from the atmosphere

Which liverpool is gonna turn up? The team which turns on the style and smashes the best in the world and makes anfield look like a fortress? Or the liverpool which has no guts and ambition and struggles against lower league opposition

I just dont know anymore. For once i'll be going into anfield for a major european night and not know what kind of atmosphere to expect. Its strange

[Leyton388]

I know how you feel i have lost my passion and it hurts like nothing i have ever felt before. I dont get excited watching us anymore and i cannot be arsed going to watch them now as i know we will play like ****e. Somthing is badly wrong. I will still support and give my all to liverpool but all the off field antics of the club along with the way football is going has really put me off.

If this game 39 idea happens im sorry but that will be me offically finished with football. Us fans have been screwed by the clubs for years but this is too far.

[ningnangnong]

I just feel empty after watching that.

We should have put 4 past the cunts, and you just knew they were going to score at the end........it had "just one of those days" written all over it from the start To compound it the Mancs always give someone a flogging when we get beaten like this. Its as if its written beforehand that this will happen.

Its almost as if we a cursed, every time we get close, we then go on a **** run, and find ourselves 20 pts off the top.

I just dont know what to do anymore, Im struggling to really get fired up to watch us. It just hurts too much at the moment. Seeing those players run around...not giving a ****. Even Carra, the one you could always depend on, doesnt seem to be himself. I would really like to know whats happening behind the scenes. I feel so sorry for Rafa. Yeah, he makes some utterly baffling decisions sometimes, but he cares about this club as much as all of us do. He looks a broken man at the moment out there.

Rafa is gone. Its as clear as day, the players know it too. What else could explain the complete lack of fight for the shirt.

Agree with you mate, especially about Rafa. You can tell how hard it is on him when we lose.

Not really looking forward to staying up to all hours of the morning to watch some of the crap, uninspiring performances we've been dishing out.

I'll still watch them though. Although, last night i went to sleep with 20mins left.

[Jimthered]

Cant disagree with any of these posts , I am starting to suffer from "same old same old" syndrome. It been coming for a few years now.

I'm done buying shirts and paying to watch on the TV, I even turned down tickets last two times I have been back to the UK.

Maybe just footie in general too, I'm done handing over my cash to line the pockets of players who just dont seem to really care.

[Leyton388]

Agree with you mate, especially about Rafa. You can tell how hard it is on him when we lose.

Not really looking forward to staying up to all hours of the morning to watch some of the crap, uninspiring performances we've been dishing out.

I'll still watch them though. Although, last night i went to sleep with 20mins left.

Mate what i would not give to be on the other side of the world right now LOL. Another good weekend ruined

[LFCman]

It feels the same as it did towards the end of Houllier's reign. Another Liverpool game, another disappointment. I said it towards the end of GH's reign and I'll say it now because it's how I feel. But a defeat doesn't really hurt, because it just seems normal again. The occassional win is what makes me shocked.

But it should be the other way around, winning should be the norm.

[MrMichael]

Have to say I'm with this thread completely. What happened today was painfully predictable in so many ways, we threatened to lose like that in both previous rounds to inferior opposition, and have been playing such bland football for months that I'm starting to find it hard to motivate myself to be all that fussed when we're ****. It really is starting to feel like the last few months under Houllier all over again. Just replace Heskey with Kuyt and we're there

Its not just that though, its the whole thing. I'm sick of investment that never happens, sick of new stadiums that never get built, sick of Americans and Arabs, and especially, I'm completely sick of the media. It all just feels bland, and footy is nothing without passion, passion that I know I'm finding it hard to muster at the moment. Instead of cursing when they scored the winner earlier, I was nearer laughing instead.

That's not good.

[cullinp]

I'm with you lads, prepare yourself for the RAFA is blameless brigade flaming you though.

[Johnny]

I'm with you lads, prepare yourself for the RAFA is blameless brigade flaming you though.

No need for the Rafa is blameless brigade to say anything.



The Team is also to blame brigade may have something to say aswell.

[Leyton388]

Its not just that though, its the whole thing. I'm sick of investment that never happens, sick of new stadiums that never get built, sick of Americans and Arabs, and especially, I'm completely sick of the media. It all just feels bland, and footy is nothing without passion, passion that I know I'm finding it hard to muster at the moment. Instead of cursing when they scored the winner earlier, I was nearer laughing instead.

That is what i found myself doing at around the 90th minute i turned round to the mrs and said Barnsley will score the winner as you could see it coming a mile off (Pitty our back 4 were the only ones who did not) When they scored i just sat back almost pissing myself with laughter.

Oh well atleast me mate Ricky scored the winner for Bristol today.

[MrMichael]

No need for the Rafa is blameless brigade to say anything.

The Team is also to blame brigade may have something to say aswell.

Fair play if they do.

[Johnny]

Fair play if they do.

I`ve seen rafa take the blame for quite a few performances this yr when the team he picked should have wiped the floor with the opposition.todays team was quite a strong one and still got beaten.i`d understand Rafa bashing if we`d started with 5 reserve or youth team players in the team.we played ****ing Barnsley today with 11 full squad players FFS!!!!

[MrMichael]

I`ve seen rafa take the blame for quite a few performances this yr when the team he picked should have wiped the floor with the opposition.todays team was quite a strong one and still got beaten.i`d understand Rafa bashing if we`d started with 5 reserve or youth team players in the team.we played ****ing Barnsley today with 11 full squad players FFS!!!!

I know exactly where you're coming from with this dude, and up until the last couple of weeks I'd probably have agreed with you completely. However there does have to be some balance.... ultimately, its the team on the pitch, not the manager, that play the game, and they are primarily responsible for individual bad performances, especially when a reasonably sensible team was selected. Check.

However, at some point, the manager must be held responsible. If he gets the credit, say, for winning the Cl in '05 (again, he wasn't on the pitch then either), then he must also take the criticism, and ultimately, with any footy club, the buck does stop with the manager.

I've read people using all sorts of lame excuses to have a go at Rafa - taking Babel off for example. Yeah, no ****, the lad seemingly can't effectively make 90 mins yet, he hasn't done it once yet has he, and he said so himself in his last interview. Tactics today.. narf, tactics were fine, I'm sure it wasn't Rafa's plan for the defence to look like Bambi on ice everytime the ball was at our end, or for strikers to blaze the ball over the bar when they had shots.

However, this doesn't have to be black or white, people don't have to either think RCDNW, or the complete opposite.

-Some of his team selections this season have been baffling
-His effective use of substitutions is questionable
-His man management sometimes appears not to be the best
-It seems he may have lost the confidence of some senior players
-He is flagrantly 'over-coaching'
-He does not seem to have yet got fully to grips with "English football", 3 1/2 years on.

I'm not saying he should be winning us the title right now, but when a slump in form becomes an overall malaise round the club, eventually the manager's role in that has to come into question, even for his biggest fans.

[Guest]

I can't see any other manager turning us around under the current state of affairs. We've just become as bad as Newcastle with fans demanding success immediately. We're on a bad patch, that's not to say that Rafa can't turn this around.

LFC as a club seems to be disjointed. We've got no god given right to say we should win everything. Success has to be earned and it's not down to the manager alone to share the blame for such a disastrous season.

The club (and by that I mean also us supporters) has to look at itself and see what's going wrong. It's all easy to blame the manager for chopping and changing and for playing players who aren't tough enough mentally to raise to the challenge.

I see it as a game of football. Gone are the days when my life revolved around LFC and LFC alone. We've lost ... So be it, we were bad. Man Utd won, great for them because they deserve it, they have a great team.

Taunts by Man Utd fans, I couldn't care less any more because I've become detached and take defeats such as this with a high degree of relativity now. I've got other things to bother, and while it hurts, I've got to deal with this with dignity much like the club has done during all these great years.

We've just got to look to the next game and hope it will be better and that the players will rectify things quickly. We must never lose faith. Leave the restlessness to other clubs.