For those that WANT Rafa gone.

[Marky]

There can only be one man to fill the void should Rafa be given the boot, here is that man:



Assisted by none other than Mr Merson himself:




Robbo being the number one whilst Mers acts as assistant and in the process learns the ropes with the view to becoming the LFC manager one day

What do you think lads, worth a shot?

[Red Chilli]

You're not doing yourself any favours there Marky

[carlton]

All this guff about "had to buy his 2nd and 3rd choice targets".

Which manager always gets his first choice targets? Answer: none of them

FFS, thats just absolute bollocks mate. Its been well documented that rafa has not been funded to get his first choice players. Some of you lot could get careers as gossip sports writers.

[Red Chilli]

Thats just absolute bollocks mate.

No manager always gets his number 1 targets. True or False?

[Harv]

Wenger? So he never failed with a bid for Fowler then?
Mourinho? So he never failed in a bid to get Henry?
Grant? Who has he signed?
Ferguson? David Hirst, Alan Shearer, Ronaldinho?
Rijkaard? Didn't he bid for Fabregas last summer? Anyway, is he competing this season?
Schuster? Can't comment because I don't follow Madrid.

Blown that out of the water

HA. Hardly

of course they have all missed a few targets when you go back 15 years. But they often get their first choice.

Mourinho.

Drogba- chased him for months, and finally landed him....after having to pay a hefty price.
Essien- likewise
SWP- blew all the competition out of the water, with a massive bid that couldnt be refused.


Grant has signed Anelka BTW.......surely you can remember, but have just forgotten it to suit your argument.

Rijkaard- Henry, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta, Milito, Guily, Gudjohnsen

and yes Barca are challenging for the title....they are currently in second

Wenger has gotten his first choice more often than not. Often purely because he has an eye for talent, and gets players before they hit their peak.

Fergie- Ruud, Veron, Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Hargreaves, Carrick, Vidic, Evra


shoved that back down your throat with authority didnt Ih:

[Red Chilli]

shoved that back down your throat with authority didnt Ih:

Not really, because you have conveniently ignored the original post which said "Which manager always gets their first choice targets. Answer: none of them".

Are you saying that none of Rafa's signings are his first choice targets?

What of Alonso, Reina and Torres, Morientes?

The word "always" is the crucial one.

[carlton]

No manager always gets his number 1 targets. True or False?

Its not that black and white as some of you like to make out but if you want a yes or no answer then of course its no. For one thing not every player wants to play for LFC-shock, horror. But dont try and spin crap and claim that he has always got the players he has wanted- you know that he hasnt.

[Harv]

Not really, because you have conveniently ignored the original post which said "Which manager always gets their first choice targets. Answer: none of them".

Are you saying that none of Rafa's signings are his first choice targets?

What of Alonso, Reina and Torres, Morientes?

The word "always" is the crucial one.

well obviously they dont always get their first choice targets.

But they get their first choice more often than not.

Rafa has got his first choice keeper, CM and striker.

thats it. Out of all the targets we have gone for.

[Ron_Mexico]

agreed

to much of this knee jerk sack the manager **** going on for my liking
that imo is not the lfc way
wh sing you'll never walk alone but some seem happy for rafa to take FULL blame for the shambles that is going on at lfc at the mo.

were not barcoders,were not spurs/fulham/citeh/west ham, etc etc
we are Liverpool Football Club and we back our manager thick and thin (or at least we should do imo)

[bigfooty]

If Rafa was to leave I think the two best choices for his replacement would be Hiddink and O'Neill.

Hiddink is clearly well qualified but the lack of Premiership experience is something I'd be concerned with, though not to the point of excluding him from contention.

I've been laughed at before for suggesting O'Neill, not fit to lace Rafa's boots according to some, but I think he ticks most of the boxes and would easily be capable of taking on a massive club like us. I don't think he'd be interested though because Villa have a promising team with bags of potential and an owner that isn't a total c*nt.

There are others that I think would merit consideration but those for me would be the two that I'd be quite happy with coming in should (hopefully) Rafa depart.

[Guest]

Guys, Rafa will still be here next season and you'll still be debating.

[Joe Le Toff]

It's a simple issue here. The thing that makes him an easy target, is the fact that he is struggling to take us into the top 4.

Rotation plays a part of that, but the upshot is that results count. If we're challenging for the title, he can play up front himself for all i care. But we're not. It's his job to take us into the top four and beyond. And he's failing.

Spot on. Rafa's rotation system makes him an easy target for the media and the boo boys lap it up as well.

I cant help but think that Rafa is sometimes his own worst enemy with the rotation issue.
For me, if it was working he wouldnt be called on it and if anything, im sure it would be hailed as a stroke of genius.

The fact is that it doesnt and thats why he's a target for the boo boys and the media as you rightly say. When you are making 5 or 6 changes regularly and especially to a winning side, and it affects the teams rythmn confidence and form then you're going to get criticized for it, whether that be fans or the media, and in my opinion rightly so.

Games that immediately spring to mind are Birmingham at home, Portsmouth away and Reading away. It struck me as rotation for rotations sake and was totally unnecessary as we were bombing along then and were well in contention.

For the record, ive nothing against rotation per se as i see the logic in it, but wholesale changes week in week out, especially at the start of the season is overkill for me, and its played a big part in this shambles of a season.

[rage]

All this guff about "had to buy his 2nd and 3rd choice targets".

Which manager always gets his first choice targets? Answer: none of them

crouch, kuyt, lucas, alonso, reina, masch, garcia, yossi and torres were not 2nd or 3rd choices

if babel was a 2nd or 3rd choice then rafa's an idiot.

voronin has cost us money never mind been a free and i'd much rather he have kept pongolle

so 2nd or 3rd choice - agger and pennant. agger's done well so that only leaves pennant that started this season that could be claimed as 2nd choice.

Rafa's bought consistently poorly in key positions and now he has to deal with the consequences.

he did not have to buy lucas, babel, leto and sell pongolle last summer. that's over 20 million there net.

you reap what you sow

[AFII]

crouch, kuyt, lucas, alonso, reina, masch, garcia, yossi and torres were not 2nd or 3rd choices

if babel was a 2nd or 3rd choice then rafa's an idiot.

voronin has cost us money never mind been a free and i'd much rather he have kept pongolle

so 2nd or 3rd choice - agger and pennant. agger's done well so that only leaves pennant that started this season that could be claimed as 2nd choice.

Rafa's bought consistently poorly in key positions and now he has to deal with the consequences.

he did not have to buy lucas, babel, leto and sell pongolle last summer. that's over 20 million there net.

you reap what you sow

Babel was second choice according to the rumours. Rafa wanted Simao but Benfica priced him out of any possible deal.

[rage]

Babel was second choice according to the rumours. Rafa wanted Simao but Benfica priced him out of any possible deal.

well according to some who consider net spend as of huge significance we spent somewhere between 20 to 30 million net in the summer. if thats really the case blowing somewhere between a 1/2 to a 1/3 of our transfer kitty on a second choice player would make rafa an idiot