Priorities for H&G?? Article. Also SOS Statement.

[Vermilion]

I really don't see the fans need to 'wear the shirt with pride' as being an issue here, we all have Liverpool shirts we can wear with pride, does it for this season at least, need to be the New one, no one is asking fans to stop wearing the club colours.

It's i think about doing what you can, as a fan, we know fans are pretty much powerless when it comes to issues like this, unless they speak & act with one voice, which wont happen, but some fans just want to do what they can i suppose.

There are so many issues here, children to consider, how do you explain to a child that he can't have the latest shirt of his favourite team, because his dad thinks it will in the long run be best for the club, & so little 'Tommy' is being a great lad for going without.

But then when little 'Tommy's' out playing he sees his 'distant' friends out in the latest new 'bitter' shirts,........................................... ... he then realises just how lucky he is.

It's a tough call, not for anyone to decide but themselves.

[el matador]

Because the whole things is mainly an ego trip for those involved, imho.

might well be but someone has to take a stand. The SOS dont speak for every fan because they cant. We all have our opinions but they represent the voice of a few well organised reds. These guys got together and have formed some sort of political mini-party which hicks and gillett have to acknowledge. They have met with former players, Shanks's grand daughter and even DIC so they mean business.

I dont agree with politics in football but maybe its time we gave them some support because at least they are doing something.

The rest of us cant be arsed to do anything to stop gillett and hicks from raping our club.

[DannyMan2006]

might well be but someone has to take a stand. The SOS dont speak for every fan because they cant. We all have our opinions but they represent the voice of a few well organised reds. These guys got together and have formed some sort of political mini-party which hicks and gillett have to acknowledge. They have met with former players, Shanks's grand daughter and even DIC so they mean business.

I dont agree with politics in football but maybe its time we gave them some support because at least they are doing something.

The rest of us cant be arsed to do anything to stop gillett and hicks from raping our club.

To above the bold.

I reckon it's all about time constraints and money for the latter option.

[ScouseUK]

when i buy a shirt its because of my love for liverpool not the bord,when i go to games or travel far and wide to watch liverpool i do it for the love of the team not the owners,when i sing on the stands i do it cause i love liverpool not cause of the owners...

imo and this is nothing against the people who started it but the whole thing is a bunch of tripe.stop buying shirts or merchindize sing this song protest against this bollocks,do anyone person think that by not buying a shirt goin and slaggin someone off or doing a bunch or publisity stunts its gonna make just 1 ounce of difference or even think that by doing this you will make the yankies leave then your all smokeing more weed than iam.....the only thing thats gonna be effected by not buying shirts and so on is the team,not the bord not the owners but the team.future transfer funds have a % of merchindise sales added into this so in effect you are basically harming future transfers,not the yankies.by standing there in the gorund and such and doin protests against the owners the only people that will be effected are the players on the pitch and i as a liverpool fan refuse to do this.....

the whole situation ****in stinks and i for 1 will have no part in it,i have purchased my shirt infact i bought 3 on the same day mine my dads and my brothers along with some other stuff bought in the shop,dose that mean i support the owners and dose that make me a bad fan for doin it well in SoS eyes i probly am not a real supporter but i no the truth....

iam no exspert but i reckon if shankley was alive today he wouldnt put his name to something like this cause he will no it will only harm 1 thing

LIVERPOOL FC

[DannyMan2006]

Well they only earn profits from one outlet - the fans.

Not buying the shirt does effect their profits, though I fear not enough people will listen for this to make much difference. The key is geeting the media on their side, which they have made a great start to.

I can guarantee you now (well I can't, but you know what I mean ) that if we had done nothing and sat back, neither owner would be looking to get out. As it stands one does, and another we do not know for sure.

But it's a start. I'll not moan about anyone for buying a shirt, especially not you. You go to the games and I hardly ever do, so you're a bigger supporter than me, when taking the word support into context. And you're old enough to make your own descisions!

But I do appreciate what SOS are doing for the club, how ever little an impact they make.

[fred_plasticine]

melodramatic as ever.

[DannyMan2006]

melodramatic as ever.

I would say it needs to be to get in the media.

[fred_plasticine]

Well they only earn profits from one outlet - the fans.

Not buying the shirt does effect their profits, though I fear not enough people will listen for this to make much difference. The key is geeting the media on their side, which they have made a great start to.

I can guarantee you now (well I can't, but you know what I mean ) that if we had done nothing and sat back, neither owner would be looking to get out. As it stands one does, and another we do not know for sure.

But it's a start. I'll not moan about anyone for buying a shirt, especially not you. You go to the games and I hardly ever do, so you're a bigger supporter than me, when taking the word support into context. And you're old enough to make your own descisions!

But I do appreciate what SOS are doing for the club, how ever little an impact they make.

yeah right. do you really believe that?
they don't get along that's why one's trying to get out. it's got **** all to do with what you or me or anyone else thinks about them.

[ScouseUK]

But it's a start. I'll not moan about anyone for buying a shirt, especially not you. You go to the games and I hardly ever do, so you're a bigger supporter than me, when taking the word support into context. And you're old enough to make your own descisions!

nobody is a bigger supporter than anyone,dosnt matter if i go to matchs or dont it dosnt make me a better fan than you....

but the profits you talk about them makein is way of the mark,merchindise sales go back into the team,used for wages and such it dosnt directly go into the owners pockets...

and gillet has wanted out from the day he took over,he thought it would be a quick profit but he didnt bank on the stead fast hicks.again its all about the profit on the ssales of shares for gillett if he wanted out that badley he could of sold to hicks months ago.but like before moores parry and gillet will gain more money from sellin to dic(moores and parry will probly keep the roles for the deal)..

but we gettin off topic here,i really dont have a problem with the people who set up the group i just dont agree with the things they are asking fans to do

[DannyMan2006]

nobody is a bigger supporter than anyone,dosnt matter if i go to matchs or dont it dosnt make me a better fan than you....

but the profits you talk about them makein is way of the mark,merchindise sales go back into the team,used for wages and such it dosnt directly go into the owners pockets...

and gillet has wanted out from the day he took over,he thought it would be a quick profit but he didnt bank on the stead fast hicks.again its all about the profit on the ssales of shares for gillett if he wanted out that badley he could of sold to hicks months ago.but like before moores parry and gillet will gain more money from sellin to dic(moores and parry will probly keep the roles for the deal)..

but we gettin off topic here,i really dont have a problem with the people who set up the group i just dont agree with the things they are asking fans to do

You are a bigger supporter as you spend more money with the club. I would say I'm a massive fan of the club, but there's a difference between a football fan and a football supporter in my eyes. I do contribute but not as much as I'd like!

With regards SOS, it's each to their own I guess. I reckon the fuss kicked up will have hastened the departure of the two yanks. They would have stayed until the stadium was in place otherwise and maxxed out the profit.

My money is on them believing they'd get it all their own way like they did at the teams in Montreal, Dallas and Texas.

[El Jefecito]

Well they only earn profits from one outlet - the fans.
Not buying the shirt does effect their profits, though I fear not enough people will listen for this to make much difference. The key is geeting the media on their side, which they have made a great start to.

I can guarantee you now (well I can't, but you know what I mean ) that if we had done nothing and sat back, neither owner would be looking to get out. As it stands one does, and another we do not know for sure.

But it's a start. I'll not moan about anyone for buying a shirt, especially not you. You go to the games and I hardly ever do, so you're a bigger supporter than me, when taking the word support into context. And you're old enough to make your own descisions!

But I do appreciate what SOS are doing for the club, how ever little an impact they make.

NOT TRUE. 100m in prize money since Rafa has been here. 30M season b4 last in TV money, and apparently much more than that this year.

That money dwarfs what we make on a couple of shirts.

Unless SOS have a real hard think about their approach they are just wasting their time.

[Kenneth]

You are a bigger supporter as you spend more money with the club. I would say I'm a massive fan of the club, but there's a difference between a football fan and a football supporter in my eyes. I do contribute but not as much as I'd like!

Not a distinction I'd really considered before. Interesting.

[spy]

Is it just me or is much of the Yank-bashing these days getting desperate?

They didn't put the shovel in the ground in 60 days and so are condemned for it - even though we'd have had the crappy bowl instead if they'd have started then. And the 60 day statement was actually talking about making sure they didn't miss out on the grants that were lined up, and I've not seen a story anywhere saying the did miss out on grants. They said they had to avoid losing out on the grants, but wanted to revisit the stadium design.

They cocked up somewhere and had to do two versions but it takes time from getting some designs off an architect to getting planning permission granted. Most of that time is down to planning procedures being set in stone.

Now we see them getting criticism for opening a far better club shop than we've had before. What do "fans" want? Is it wrong to open a new club shop? Should we not be opening them worldwide if there's a big enough market for them?

This boycott of LFC products isn't going to hurt Hicks as much as it's going to hurt the transfer budget. The owners will take what they need first, then they'll try to match the transfer budget they think we need, then they'll take anything else that's left for themselves. If the boycott cost the club £5million then there's every chance that we'll have to buy a £12million striker when we could have had a £17million striker. Hicks and Gillett will still get what they need, they aren't hurt, we are!

The groundshare story has come from an Everton-supporting local politician who nearly lost his position as leader of the council due to the unpopularity he has with his own colleagues. He's not spoken to anyone at LFC and is desperate to avoid seeing his little club move out of the city. It's nothing to do with LFC or the Americans - yet the desperation is such that "fans" are buying his nonsense and making out groundshare is on again.

I think a lot of fans need to stop basing their opinions on the assumptions of the last six months and do some digging of their own. Hicks is no angel. But Gillett is an odious little poisonous rat who has been feeding bulls*it to DIC about his own situation. And DIC are showing themselves as nothing short of snidy. Gillett and DIC have played as big a part as any, with the help of Parry, of us seeing our linen washed in public. And reading back through old articles how much turns out to be untrue?

This isn't a slight on SOS, they need to get their membership sorted out and opened up to more than the tiny fraction of supporters that have so far been able to join. They are as guilty of spin as anyone, and that needs to stop. Part of the problem is that a very small group of people are making all the decisions, and they are not listening to the wider views of everyone, just those who want Hicks out for reasons they've long forgotten. I can't remember the last time I saw any reasons to get rid of Hicks based on facts rather than what the often anti-Liverpool-FC press has written about us.

Why do we want Hicks out?

[Vermilion]

Is it just me or is much of the Yank-bashing these days getting desperate?

They didn't put the shovel in the ground in 60 days and so are condemned for it - even though we'd have had the crappy bowl instead if they'd have started then. And the 60 day statement was actually talking about making sure they didn't miss out on the grants that were lined up, and I've not seen a story anywhere saying the did miss out on grants. They said they had to avoid losing out on the grants, but wanted to revisit the stadium design.

They cocked up somewhere and had to do two versions but it takes time from getting some designs off an architect to getting planning permission granted. Most of that time is down to planning procedures being set in stone.

Now we see them getting criticism for opening a far better club shop than we've had before. What do "fans" want? Is it wrong to open a new club shop? Should we not be opening them worldwide if there's a big enough market for them?

This boycott of LFC products isn't going to hurt Hicks as much as it's going to hurt the transfer budget. The owners will take what they need first, then they'll try to match the transfer budget they think we need, then they'll take anything else that's left for themselves. If the boycott cost the club £5million then there's every chance that we'll have to buy a £12million striker when we could have had a £17million striker. Hicks and Gillett will still get what they need, they aren't hurt, we are!

The groundshare story has come from an Everton-supporting local politician who nearly lost his position as leader of the council due to the unpopularity he has with his own colleagues. He's not spoken to anyone at LFC and is desperate to avoid seeing his little club move out of the city. It's nothing to do with LFC or the Americans - yet the desperation is such that "fans" are buying his nonsense and making out groundshare is on again.

I think a lot of fans need to stop basing their opinions on the assumptions of the last six months and do some digging of their own. Hicks is no angel. But Gillett is an odious little poisonous rat who has been feeding bulls*it to DIC about his own situation. And DIC are showing themselves as nothing short of snidy. Gillett and DIC have played as big a part as any, with the help of Parry, of us seeing our linen washed in public. And reading back through old articles how much turns out to be untrue?

This isn't a slight on SOS, they need to get their membership sorted out and opened up to more than the tiny fraction of supporters that have so far been able to join. They are as guilty of spin as anyone, and that needs to stop. Part of the problem is that a very small group of people are making all the decisions, and they are not listening to the wider views of everyone, just those who want Hicks out for reasons they've long forgotten. I can't remember the last time I saw any reasons to get rid of Hicks based on facts rather than what the often anti-Liverpool-FC press has written about us.

Why do we want Hicks out?

Yes its just you.

[spy]

Yes its just you.

So everyone else thinks we shouldn't have opened a club shop?