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    The Guardian Having a Pop At Rafa



    The cult of permanent rotation blights Benítez's bid for title

    Richard Williams
    Tuesday September 26, 2006
    The Guardian

    The days have gone when Nottingham Forest could use a total of 11 players to win the FA Cup, as they did in a nine-match campaign, including three replays, in 1959. But this week's most staggering statistic, which states that Rafael Benítez has now made changes to Liverpool's starting line-up for 93 matches in a row, suggests a game badly in need of psychiatric help.

    Yes, Benítez has led Liverpool to the European Cup during his time in England - although it might more accurately be said that his players led Benítez to the trophy. In terms of the Premiership, however, his Anfield Assortment continue to underachieve, despite heavy investment, and it seems at least possible that inconsistency of selection, whether wilful or enforced, might be among the root causes.

    Plenty of managers will tell you that it is no longer possible to pin up the same team sheet on the dressing-room door week after week. The stresses and strains imposed by the greater physical intensity of the modern game, combined with the number of fixtures faced by the most successful clubs, make the tactical and man-management aspects of player-rotation an intrinsic part of the repertoire of managerial skills.

    But try telling that to Martin O'Neill. When he arrived at Aston Villa, no one could look at the playing resources and tell you what the club's best side was. Straight away, however, he decided not just on a formation but on his best 11 players. And since his first match in charge, at Arsenal on the opening day of the season, there have been only the most minimal changes to that line-up, with Gareth Barry moving to left-back in order to accommodate the arrival from Celtic of Stilian Petrov in midfield. The result is currently available for inspection in the Premiership table, where Villa lie a convincing fifth - two points ahead of Liverpool, and without a defeat in six matches.

    And look at Barcelona, the best side in Europe last season. Throughout the campaign that ended with victory over Arsenal in the Champions League there was virtually no doubt about the names Frank Rijkaard would be scribbling down.

    Even now, when managers need top-quality cover for every position, there is nothing better than a goalkeeper and a back four who play their way through an entire season - or even for what seemed like season after season, as Peter Schmeichel, Paul Parker, Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister and Denis Irwin used to do for Manchester United - behind a midfield and an attack that are enjoying the benefits of a similar consistency.

    If you doubt that proposition, take a look at West Ham United. As recently as last May this was a team that, under Alan Pardew, seemed to have found its defining shape, with the personnel to match. In direct consequence, each player was giving his best. And then came Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.

    The two Argentinians are exceptional players who would command places in almost any club side in the world, but they were the last thing Pardew needed. Just when he had chosen his squad's best ingredients and moulded them into an effective unit, he was forced - for reasons still obscure to us and probably to him, too - to chop and change to incorporate the two stars. One win in six league matches is the result.

    Football changes, and approaches to management change with it. But some truths remain eternal, and this is one of them: the best teams do, indeed, write themselves.
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    #2
    Just read it myself via NewsNow. It's a seriously lazy piece of journalism even if there are elements of truth in it. I don't like so much rotation either but you'd think it wouldn't be an issue after a 3-0 win. Rotation aside I think I was most wound up by these two pearlers:

    Yes, Benítez has led Liverpool to the European Cup during his time in England - although it might more accurately be said that his players led Benítez to the trophy.
    Oh, yeah Rafa was **** the whole season and we won it in spite of him.

    The two Argentinians are exceptional players who would command places in almost any club side in the world, but they were the last thing Pardew needed.
    Yeah, the last thing any manager needs is a couple of players that improve his starting line-up, something long associated with deteriorating form. They were the last thing Pardew needed? What the **** did he need then? A transfer ban? :whatever:

    I do buy the general point, a settled line-up is conducive to better results. And? Fail to see any real insight in this article, it's an obvious and simple point made in a laboured way. We'll bring someone else into the line-up on Wed and win thanks to them then he'll say ah what a clever manager picking the team to suit the opposition. Or maybe he won't. Who cares, I won't be reading his arse gravy.
    Last edited by Red_Polo; 26-09-06, 03:07 AM.
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      #3
      I actually agree over the west ham comment. I dont think Pardew welcomes them at all. Its certainly given him a selection headache and I do believe he is under pressure to play them. Had he planned for bringing them in then fine but he didnt.
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        #4
        who gives a ****; in his first season it was zonal marking that was the problem; now it's rotation.

        If we win the league it will be because he had the vision to rotate the players early in the season; if we don't it will be because of rotation.

        Besides left midfield, which I'm sure Gonzales will make his own in the not too distant future, Rafa knows exactly who his best team is.
        "The definition of insanity is not running into the same wall again and again; it's expecting a different result every time you do it."

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          #5
          When the joutnalist that wrote this piece of ****e has won La Liga twice on a limited budget and the UEFA cup followed by the Champions League and F.A. Cup I'll take his critcisms seriously. Until then he should keep his mouth shut because he's not got a clue what it takes to be succesful.

          And what a pile of ****e it is to say that the players led Rafa to Champions League victory.:whatever:

          ****e piece of journalism but what do you expect from the Guardian?!
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            #6
            I agree with the West Ham comments.
            They'd of loved Trevez and co but not under these circumstances.
            Anyone notice they don't pass to them. Effect the team big style.

            The Martin ONeil fan club, sorry journalists are just having a pop at Liverpool going for a foreign manager over him?

            Rafa's rotation of the back -
            I'd say 100% fit Riise and Finnan pick themselves.
            Agger Cara and Sami, seem to play well any combination.
            Carra was knackered come end of last year
            SO why not use Sami to rest him now and again when the oposition permits it.
            Likewise Agger needs to comftable with both.

            Rafa likes at end the season being the fittest team.
            Lets see in the run in if there still having a go at rotation.

            Kuyt and Bellers have stated last few games.
            So have Momo, Agger, Alonso, Stevie, Riena, either Carra or Sami and Finnan
            Rotating the forwards and wingers makes sence.

            Under Ged we had team A consisting of 11 players and the reserves who couldn't come in and do a job.

            Under Rafa we have a team of about 20 players
            Its times like these we learn to live again FF

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              #7
              Originally posted by redlancer
              I agree with the West Ham comments.
              They'd of loved Trevez and co but not under these circumstances.
              Anyone notice they don't pass to them. Effect the team big style.

              The Martin ONeil fan club, sorry journalists are just having a pop at Liverpool going for a foreign manager over him?

              Rafa's rotation of the back -
              I'd say 100% fit Riise and Finnan pick themselves.
              Agger Cara and Sami, seem to play well any combination.
              Carra was knackered come end of last year
              SO why not use Sami to rest him now and again when the oposition permits it.
              Likewise Agger needs to comftable with both.

              Rafa likes at end the season being the fittest team.
              Lets see in the run in if there still having a go at rotation.

              Kuyt and Bellers have stated last few games.
              So have Momo, Agger, Alonso, Stevie, Riena, either Carra or Sami and Finnan
              Rotating the forwards and wingers makes sence.

              Under Ged we had team A consisting of 11 players and the reserves who couldn't come in and do a job.

              Under Rafa we have a team of about 20 players
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                #8
                So everyone seems to agree with he said about West Ham but not what he says about us. Isn't that a little odd?

                In my opinion, it's a typically one-sided piece of journalism. No matter who you support you can find some truth in what he says but it's hardly the whole truth and, as Red_Polo points out, without any searing insights.

                Perhaps a harder piece of journalism might be an attempt to explain why Benitez is doing it but apparently that lies beyond Williams' abilities. I expect Benitez doesn't know about the advantages of a settled line-up - otherwise why would he change it all the time?
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Neil Young
                  So everyone seems to agree with he said about West Ham but not what he says about us. Isn't that a little odd?

                  In my opinion, it's a typically one-sided piece of journalism. No matter who you support you can find some truth in what he says but it's hardly the whole truth and, as Red_Polo points out, without any searing insights.

                  Perhaps a harder piece of journalism might be an attempt to explain why Benitez is doing it but apparently that lies beyond Williams' abilities. I expect Benitez doesn't know about the advantages of a settled line-up - otherwise why would he change it all the time?


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                    #10
                    Rotation??
                    It's a balancing act obviously
                    You can't play 60+ matches at a high level with 11, or 15 players, you need more.
                    However the core of any successful team must know how to play together and this takes practice, and with familiarity comes confidence in the players around you, therefore in difficult circumstances you are more likely to pull through and get a result.

                    Personally(but what do I know?) changing 2/3 players a game is ok but when you start changing 5/6 players ,especially with new players still getting to know their team mates it can lead to a lack of fluency within the team and some players become isolated or caught out position/without cover

                    By Dec, Jan I reckon the whole squad will be settled and so rotation can only be positive from then on, but will we still be in the position to win the League??

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                      #11
                      Lets see where villa are in 20 matches time. After his decent first team are denuded by injury and changes are forced on o'neill.

                      Honestly, anyone making serious judgements at this time of the season is being a jerk.

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                        #12
                        Some of Rafas decisions regarding team selection can be confusing, but overall the team is benefitting from being able to draw on a sizeable and talented squad, and as a consequence more players are ready to play at the level that is required of them. Rafa wants a team to consist of pieces that are interchangeable in a way that gives us options without affecting the level of performance. This will take some time, but I think that we are already showing signs of improvement in this area.

                        The real confusing one for me is not starting Stevie G. away from home in Europe - I don't think that helps us and our away results in the CL would seem to bear that out...

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                          #13
                          But surely the article has missed out on the facts that Liverpool have become a genuine title challenger - which is a result of player investment and Rafa's management ability. Now as we know a cornerstone of Rafa ideology is rotation (the stats speak for themselves) therefore is it not the case that a reason for our success is down to Rafa's rotation?

                          I would only buy this rotation = bad = negativity slant if the stats backed it up, and frankly they don't.

                          Rafa's first season - getting to grips with the league, poor away from home, decent at home, fabulous in Europe.

                          Rafa's second season - slow start, bit of a dodgy patch mid-season, other than that, our best league season in a very long time. Most clean sheets, less reliance on a "star" player, fortress Anfield, and great away from home.

                          All that success on the back of Rotation!
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Tom
                            Lets see where villa are in 20 matches time. After his decent first team are denuded by injury and changes are forced on o'neill.

                            Honestly, anyone making serious judgements at this time of the season is being a jerk.
                            thats the point about rotation that many people fail to see. Yes you need to rest players, but if you have a starting 11 most games when there are a couple of injuries the whole team thing looks disjointed.

                            Scum have a first 11 and look what happens when giggs is missing, or other players that play regularly they look disjointed.

                            We have a starting squad of 20 with no place definite apart from reina!
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Cacodemon
                              But surely the article has missed out on the facts that Liverpool have become a genuine title challenger
                              Havn't you heard? We're already out this season...

                              Watch more TV and read more papers...

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