Rafa's Last Season?

[Reece]

Don't you know I'm the only one in my family that isn't from Liberpool?

I had no idea mate, just never noticed you using those scouse-isms before and thought it was quite funny. Don't take everything so seriously.

[barnes10]

he's had 4 seasons amigo. a minimum expectation in the league has got to be set. being out of the title race by xmas every year is not good enough.

rafa has been backed every year and he's failed to do this.

i'd like to think that the best managers don't use excuses like oh but they had more money to spend than i did. they compete regardless.

i really want him to succeed but the next time he decides to rest torres in a league game only to play him in a midweek carling cup game should be used to demonstrate why we fail to compete rather than lack of funds.

We've been out of title as we concentrate on the CL to EARN MONEY PRECISELY BECAUSE HE HASNT BEEN BACKED. CL Winnings = Net spend.

The man has and is doing a great job. If there's no-one better, then it can take him 10 years to win the league for all i care. no-one better = we'll do worse. We'll go backwards. name a replacement or support the man ffs.

WUM

[rudedog]

im not havin a pop but fans like you who settle for 4th are the reason our club is not the force it was

never has a forum nickname been so appropriate

[Pacman]

I had no idea mate, just never noticed you using those scouse-isms before and thought it was quite funny. Don't take everything so seriously.

Who me? I was only telling you like don't be so touchy.

[rage]

Rag, please respond to these facts we have taken the trouble to point out for your benefit.

sorry had to go and do some work pc. in response to your point mainly about progression in the champions league - i totally agree rafa is excellent there. i also agree that we are playing catch up. my point is how long is it acceptable to play catch up without actually getting even within touching distance?

as for friedk presentations of statistics - well i just use the statistic that matters at the end of the season - where you finish in the table. if you carry through this thinking then is paisley a worse manager than rafa even though he won league titles with fewer points? as far as i'm concerned its about finishing first, not about how many points you accumulate.

[Roboklopp]

Far be it from me to "come" between a stalker & a rotund man, but it did appear that Pacman wasnt being serious...

[dom9]

sorry had to go and do some work pc. in response to your point mainly about progression in the champions league - i totally agree rafa is excellent there. i also agree that we are playing catch up. my point is how long is it acceptable to play catch up without actually getting even within touching distance?

as for friedk presentations of statistics - well i just use the statistic that matters at the end of the season - where you finish in the table. if you carry through this thinking then is paisley a worse manager than rafa even though he won league titles with fewer points? as far as i'm concerned its about finishing first, not about how many points you accumulate.

Paisley had 2 points for a win to contend with.


Bugger, I have just have joined in this thread.

[Pacman]

sorry had to go and do some work pc. in response to your point mainly about progression in the champions league - i totally agree rafa is excellent there. i also agree that we are playing catch up. my point is how long is it acceptable to play catch up without actually getting even within touching distance?

as for friedk presentations of statistics - well i just use the statistic that matters at the end of the season - where you finish in the table. if you carry through this thinking then is paisley a worse manager than rafa even though he won league titles with fewer points? as far as i'm concerned its about finishing first, not about how many points you accumulate.

When Paisley was manager it was 2 points for a win.

[rage]

Rag, please respond to these facts we have taken the trouble to point out for your benefit.

When Paisley was manager it was 2 points for a win.

ok last time we won it it was with 79 points. does that make it less of an achievement?

oh and i'm trying to remember my history but i'm sure paisley won it when it was 3 points for a win as well.

oh and i'm sure we also played more games back then?

[Mattshark]

ok last time we won it it was with 79 points. does that make it less of an achievement?

oh and i'm trying to remember my history but i'm sure paisley won it when it was 3 points for a win as well.

oh and i'm sure we also played more games back then?

But the situation was different. Again context, learn it.

[Darth Marty]

If we have a seriously bad season then of course a lot of people will be calling for his head. Im of the opinion that we are still moving forwards and thats despite our ****ing owners and ceo ****ing everything up thats humanly possible. As such I dont want to contemplate Rafa leaving and im 99.9% that he will be the one to guide us to No.19, be it this year or 5 years down the line. If we continue to progress we will do it at some stage. As soon as we start falling back and Rafa loses the plot then sack him.

I dont think anyone should be calling for his head in July before the season even starts though, its just wrong.

[Roboklopp]

sorry had to go and do some work pc. in response to your point mainly about progression in the champions league - i totally agree rafa is excellent there. i also agree that we are playing catch up. my point is how long is it acceptable to play catch up without actually getting even within touching distance?

as for friedk presentations of statistics - well i just use the statistic that matters at the end of the season - where you finish in the table. if you carry through this thinking then is paisley a worse manager than rafa even though he won league titles with fewer points? as far as i'm concerned its about finishing first, not about how many points you accumulate.

You are missing the point of my post- it isnt about our progression in the CL, it is about that of our peers. They are doing much better, which indicates our league is much stronger.

I've indicated my position about us "challenging"- namely, we shouldnt be too far away, but I firmly believe that no manager would be able to win the league with the financial resources Rafa has at his disposal. Wenger is a proven manager in the Prem, but the Gooners are struggling as mauch as we are in the league. The only person I can see doing significantly better is Fergiscum & that int gonna happen.

Therefore, barring disasters (ie finishing outside the top 4 2 seasons running without extenuating circumstances), I do not think we should even consider getting rid of the legend that is Rafa Benitez.

[rage]

But the situation was different. Again context, learn it.

context, you mean excuse for failure - i'd rather never learn it!

[Vermilion]

If we have a seriously bad season then of course a lot of people will be calling for his head. Im of the opinion that we are still moving forwards and thats despite our ****ing owners and ceo ****ing everything up thats humanly possible. As such I dont want to contemplate Rafa leaving and im 99.9% that he will be the one to guide us to No.19, be it this year or 5 years down the line. If we continue to progress we will do it at some stage. As soon as we start falling back and Rafa loses the plot then sack him.

I dont think anyone should be calling for his head in July before the season even starts though, its just wrong.

I concur absolutely.

[rage]

You are missing the point of my post- it isnt about our progression in the CL, it is about that of our peers. They are doing much better, which indicates our league is much stronger.

or that the other leagues are weaker - the french and dutch leagues are non existant, the german and italian leagues are weak and the only competition comes from spain but even they are in a period of transition.

I've indicated my position about us "challenging"- namely, we shouldnt be too far away, but I firmly believe that no manager would be able to win the league with the financial resources Rafa has at his disposal. Wenger is a proven manager in the Prem, but the Gooners are struggling as mauch as we are in the league. The only person I can see doing significantly better is Fergiscum & that int gonna happen.

Therefore, barring disasters (ie finishing outside the top 4 2 seasons running without extenuating circumstances), I do not think we should even consider getting rid of the legend that is Rafa Benitez.

well then when do you draw the line? come on he's yet to have ever competed in the league. i want this to change along with everyone else but we cannot let this carry on forever. being out of the title race by xmas this year will be inexcusable imo.