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    #16
    Originally posted by Maz View Post
    Article from the Independent today.....

    Robbie and Barry can be final pieces in the Liverpool jigsaw as the mad, mad world of the Premier League kicks off again.

    Not long now. It's like listening out for the first cuckoo of spring. When Harry Redknapp starts to curse that he can't possibly contemplate Europe and the League with such slender resources and Alan Curbishley complains about injuries and – God help us – "burn-out" beforea ball is kicked in anger, you know the Premier League is nearly upon us. It is confirmed when the players, too, begin pledging undying allegiances, with the former Arsenal man David Bentley declaring, without apparent irony, that his heart is at Tottenham. Meanwhile Spurs fans will be relieved to know Robbie Keane still has a place in his for them, though he would much rather be at Anfield, where he has arrived to discover Rafa Benitez stating: "This is the best squad I've had since I arrived." The strikermay well discover that this is no false optimism.

    In the mad mad, mad, mad world of the Premier League, no fewer than 73 players have already been conscripted by clubs this summer, for fees, on frees and on loan, and there remains nearly a month of trafficking yet before the window closes. There has been more trying on of new shirts than at a discount Gant outlet, more professing of faith (to a new club badge) than an evening spent at an evangelical church.

    Who knows, Gareth Barry, a man who had set his heart on the Champions' League challenge offered by Liverpool and was virtually out the Villa door, may yet join the jubilant Keane, such is the nature of football brinkmanship. And, if so, of all the deals currently enriching players and their agents – but not necessarily clubs – there is just a suspicion that these two would be the most significant, and herald a change in the great order of things.

    Benitez, just about to begin his fourth season at Anfield, has been talking up Liverpool's chances of claiming a first title since 1990, and for once it could be no idle boast. Taking it a stage further, it could be said that the Spaniard needs his team at least to make an authentic challenge for the title. Memories of Istanbul remain firm foundations for the reputation he created with Valenciabut yield little succour to the club's followers when Manchester United and also Chelsea begin to sprint away in the title race, as habitually they have done.

    Yes, Keane, at 28, is almost certainly overpriced at £20 million. But there is a premium on strikers, at both ends of the table (on that same subject, is Andy Johnson really worth the £13m that Fulham have paid for him?).

    Keane is a clever, intuitive player, and if the new No 7 can contribute what two of the previous occupants of that shirt have over the years at Liverpool it may just turn out to be an astute acquisition. Indeed, as Benitez put it: "If he can give us 80 per cent of what Dalglish and Keegan gave to the club he will be a fantastic player. I think he has enough experience and qual-ity and he will be OK. When you have qualities like he has, you have confidence."

    Crucial will be the Irishman's partnership with Fernando Torres. "If you play 4-2-3-1, he can play in four positions," Benitez said of Keane's versatility. "If you play 4-4-2, it doesn't matter. He can play as a winger or as a striker. When he is on the pitch you always know he is someone who will work hard and will understand the game and will understand what the manager wants. So I think he is good and can fit into different styles during the games. He has a very good mentality, a winning mentality. I think all managers are looking for this with every signing."

    Benitez revealed he had also sought, and been rewarded with, positive reports on Keane from Italy, where the Irish international moved as a 20-year-old to play for Internazionale.

    If Keane achieves a harmony with Torres, it could be the most potent Premier League strikeforce, evoking Liverpool duos of old. "At Tottenham, playing with [Dimitar] Berbatov for a few seasons, our understanding was great and we understood each other on the pitch and the training pitch. Now hopefully I can carry on that with Torres," said Keane. "The way he plays, I'll play in the hole. He plays on the shoulder of the defender and I think that will suit me and that we'll complement each other. I don't think I'll have to change." The only question mark now lingers over Xabi Alonso. Benitez admits: "If we have a good price for Xabi, maybe we could do business. But also if Xabi does not go I will be really pleased, because Xabi is a good player and we don't have any problems." Not exactly a heartfelt declaration of intent by his manager. But then we all know thatXabi needs to move on, to help facilitate Barry's move.

    At a time when a host of other managers get their mitigation in first by insisting there are "pieces of the jigsaw still missing" – not least at Spurs, who, never mind Bentley's signing, will see their striking options reduced even further if Berbatov heads to Old Trafford – the midfielder's signature appears all that remains of this annual puzzle for Benitez, who has also signed Philipp Degen and Andrea Dossena, from Borussia Dortmund and Udinese respectively. They are both attacking full-backs and will add width.

    It enables Benitez to claim: "We know we need to work on new signings and we need to keep the balance, but I think we are very, very close now."

    And that is tantamount to the voice of a satisfied manager. A rare event in recent years at Anfield. And certainly an unusual occurrence in the Premier League of 2008.
    Good article summing up the quiet air of optimism felt by many Reds going into 2008/09 season me thinks?

    Originally posted by redheart View Post
    We will not win the title or come close.

    The style of our play is inadequate to do that in this day and age, and our first team and squad are not as strong as Chavski and Manure.

    So unless the latter two implode or have a really bad season for any reason then 3rd is the best we can hope for
    But it didn't take long for the first negative of the thread. 'Redheart'? Me thinks not.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Dessy View Post
      But it didn't take long for the first negative of the thread. 'Redheart'? Me thinks not.
      He is the guy that referred to Benitez from the start as "The Spanish Eric Morecambe" so it's best just to ignore him.

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        #18
        Originally posted by pezzzer View Post
        another negative post redheart

        your spelling was fantastic for sure, but the sentiment, as always was dire

        So on what day are the Arabs going to jump out from behind the curtain and shout "TA-DAAAAA we owned them all along and tricked everyone"

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          #19
          Originally posted by Reece View Post
          He is the guy that referred to Benitez from the start as "The Spanish Eric Morecambe" so it's best just to ignore him.
          I do not believe that we will ever win the league under Benitez.

          His rotation policy is dire. His team structure and tactics are too negative.

          Add to this the greater financial muscle of Manure and Chavski, and their existing higher quality of team and squad and it makes things very difficult

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            #20
            Yes it does. But as I said you've been against him to start.

            Negative tactics? It makes us being the top scorers last season even more impressive then doesn't it.

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              #21
              Originally posted by redheart View Post
              I do not believe that we will ever win the league under Benitez.

              His rotation policy is dire. His team structure and tactics are too negative.

              Add to this the greater financial muscle of Manure and Chavski, and their existing higher quality of team and squad and it makes things very difficult

              So why don't you tell us you're plan.Tell us what you think Rafa should do and explain how you're method would win us the league.

              It's very easy saying "ah,that just won't work".

              What or whose "policy" will work?
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              'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

              Bill Shankly.

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                #22
                First...why not try to play your best team more often? The sheer scale of rotation does nothing for player confidence, or team play and understanding. If you remember games such as the first half against Sunderland at home...we were abysmal. And that was the case far too often.

                Dispense with zonal marking. It does not work. We are caught out too often at set pieces and corners despite having a large and high quality back line.

                Lose the ridiculous 4-2-3-1 formation. 4-4-2 is the best and natual formation for football. Throughout history more teams have been successful with that formation than any other.

                As for the financial handicaps...there is little that can be done in the short term....youth is the only was to make up the group...and that will take 10 years or more.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by redheart View Post
                  Dispense with zonal marking. It does not work. We are caught out too often at set pieces and corners despite having a large and high quality back line.

                  Lose the ridiculous 4-2-3-1 formation. 4-4-2 is the best and natual formation for football. Throughout history more teams have been successful with that formation than any other.
                  The zonal marking worked very well in previous seasons. I'd argue more that last season our defensive frailties were due more to an unsettled defence. We lost Agger for most of the season, and bought in Skrtel. It will take a player time to learn the zonal marking system, let alone settle in to a new defence.

                  As for the formation? Well our best results came towards the second half of the season when we played that "riciculous" formation, including knocking Inter and Arsenal out of the CL. And have a look at how many of the other top teams (not just in the prem, in Europe) still play with a rigid 4-4-2.

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                    #24
                    When was the last time the league was won playing 442?
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                    'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

                    Bill Shankly.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Reece View Post
                      The zonal marking worked very well in previous seasons. I'd argue more that last season our defensive frailties were due more to an unsettled defence. We lost Agger for most of the season, and bought in Skrtel. It will take a player time to learn the zonal marking system, let alone settle in to a new defence.

                      As for the formation? Well our best results came towards the second half of the season when we played that "riciculous" formation, including knocking Inter and Arsenal out of the CL. And have a look at how many of the other top teams (not just in the prem, in Europe) still play with a rigid 4-4-2.
                      zonal marking worked in previous season as on the whole we had a settled back four. last year we did not because of injuries but this year reece do you really think we'll have a settled back 4 out of degen, arbeloa, carra, skertl, agger, hypia, aurelio, dossena? i actually like zonal marking, but i don't think its the natural way of defending for most professionals and is something that is learnt 'new' for most of our defenders - hence pellagrino a few years back.

                      we played 4231 when we got desperate, when rafa knew that he could not afford anymore slip ups, i hope that he starts the season in exactly the same way - of course i see kuyt giving way for keane and/or gerrard playing on the right. kuyt will make a great impact sub in my opinion and an able substitute to keane. my worry with 4231 is still our reliance on torres - maybe babel or ngog can do a job here AND our lack of options on the left of the 3. I've seen gerrard play here and it is his weakest position across the midfield and babel whilst being excellent cutting in cannot cross the ball with his left foot. Nor does babel have a full 90 minutes in him let alone a full season.

                      i don't know of any successful team anymore that plays with a rigid 442 in the premiership, but every successful team has demonstrated a certain sense of style and approach to the game. Utd with their fast attack in waves style of football, arsenal with their passing that carves up any team and chelsea with their dogged individualism and strength.

                      As for us we have great players but i don't think we have a style yet, one was beginning to emerge last season with our 4231 approach. I'm hoping this continues this year as if we hit the ground running we'll do well BUT in order for us to hit the ground running we should leave the tinkering until later in the season when players that do come in have an appreciation of their role, the formation and the style of play.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by kop-al-74 View Post
                        When was the last time the league was won playing 442?
                        off the top of my head.. Arsenal not sure on the date
                        Vive la France

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