The Youth Academy

[red g]

Let's be fair mate, the youth cup wins have to be credited to Heighway and the reserves to Rafa and Gary Ablett. That said both are LIVERPOOL achievements and it would be better if they all worked together and stopped the bickering.

At Barcelona they play the same system from aged 9 onwards right to the first team, we need to put in place something like that.

one minute you want us to paly a different type of football, more exciting and the next min ute you are saying that the 9 yr olds should be playing a tactical and methodical game! .....i dont think 9 yr olds have the mental capacity to take on board Rafa's instructions!!

[Rashid]

one minute you want us to paly a different type of football, more exciting and the next min ute you are saying that the 9 yr olds should be playing a tactical and methodical game! .....i dont think 9 yr olds have the mental capacity to take on board Rafa's instructions!!

I didn't say that. The 9 year olds in my opinion should play pass and move - the Liverpool way.. not be bogged down by fitness and tactics. Rafa IMO should play the Liverpool way and not the other way round.

[Rashid]

I have to say, I am a bit miffed as to what has happened to Ajax's fabled youth system, from the late 80's up to say 2001 ish they had a regular stream of players coming through who were amazing, but now...

Other teams like Arsenal and Barcelona and have copied them, and with greater resources are getting to players first. E.g. United now have a big academy in South Africa, which Ajax famously had years before. They still produce good players as much as anybody but it's not like the mid nineties conveyor belt.

[Pacman]

No disrespect Rashid but it's horses for coarses I've heard some negative stuff about Rafa I've also heard some really positive stuff. I don't know Dave Usher from Adam or the other bloke so personally I take everything with a pinch of salt.

I do know that Heighway thought the academy was there to bring young local talent through and when Rafa wanted to bring young players from all over the world into the system the relationship broke down. Rafa as far as I know has no real control over the academy only what goes on at Melwood. So Rafa is making a point in starting up his own little academy at Melwood and not promoting from within. This might be Rafa being a cunt and proving a point however the manager should have full control of everything football as far as I'm concerned.

This info came from a coach at the academy by the way.

[Parm]

Other teams like Arsenal and Barcelona and have copied them, and with greater resources are getting to players first. E.g. United now have a big academy in South Africa, which Ajax famously had years before. They still produce good players as much as anybody but it's not like the mid nineties conveyor belt.

hmm, certainly it seems to have slowed down since the early 2000's when they had Mido, Zlatan, VDV, Snjeider, Babel, de jong, hetinga.
I was alway impressed by their phiolosphy there and the way in which the players were genrally moulded.

[Rashid]

This might be Rafa being a cunt and proving a point however the manager should have full control of everything football as far as I'm concerned.

Totally disagree with this. Football is too big for that now.

[Johnny]

Agenda,boring.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[El Jefecito]

Sounds like more BS to me. Some vague ucorroborated "inside info" used to beat Rafa. Like the way the anti-scouse angle is included to agitate the locals. And who the hell is this M.C. guy that he knows how to better structure an academy than a guy from the Ajax academy.

Agenda. AGAIN.

[El Jefecito]

[QUOTE=Rashid;1141549]

So this bit is bollocks then:


That's not by Dave that's by M.C. Dave writes for the Echo so his post stands more IMO. M.C. said Rafa wanted control as part of his contract, weknow he wasn't given it as it's controlled and run by Piet Hamburg who doesn't even get on with Rafa - maybe the Ajax way and Rafa way are different?

Rafa now has his own one which he uses as reserves.

I don't see any under 9s in the reserves so this is obviously BS.

Unless you are objecting to Rafa bringing in 18-19 year olds and putting them in the reserves. But that would be daft wouldn't it, surely we get the best players from whereever they are and if they are at the academy level they go to the academy, if they're older they go into the reserves older and better still they go into the first team. I don't see a problem here?

So if Rafa can get better players than Piet can produce then well, Piet had better up his game.

[El Jefecito]

Totally disagree with this. Football is too big for that now.

But he hasn't actually done what you have misrepresented him as doing though has he?

[Rashid]

With all due respect El Jef, you called me a cancer earlier on and I refuse to debate with you so please - let's just ignore eachother for the good of the forum.

[El Jefecito]

With all due respect El Jef, you called me a cancer earlier on and I refuse to debate with you so please - let's just ignore eachother for the good of the forum.

Give me a break.

Ignore me if you will but if you post bull**** sullying the name of our club then I will not let that stand uncontested. Someone has to defend the club

[Rashid]

That's fine, you can say or defend whatever you like but from now, don't expect me to respond to you directly. I am not interested. The End.

[Rafa Shankly]

your always looking for the negative angle rash....btw why did they ban you from TLW?

[El Jefecito]

That's fine, you can say or defend whatever you like but from now, don't expect me to respond to you directly. I am not interested. The End.

How dramatic.

Smart move on your part as it means you don't have to counter my points which show your posts as nowt more than Manc propoganda which whithers under the gaze of common sense and things like facts.