Lee Dixon On Keane

[Kenneth]

You mean like us at the tail end of the season? Like us who scored more goals than any other PL team last year? Like us who have won more since Rafa has been here than Arsenal.

No, like us who don't win enough matches, but more significantly, it's not about history, it's about us playing really poor football this seaon, having no shape, not passing the ball well and looking clueless.

[El Jefecito]

A bit unnecessarily defensive, that. It's just a constructive criticism. And let's not invoke the superfan debate...

RVP doesn't get played out of position, he's played both left wing and centre forward regularly since he was a kid. I think Fergie would get **** for playing Rooney out wide if that decision meant his team underperformed. I think we were worse off playing Keane out wide.

Not defensive at all. An I ain't invoking the "superfan" card, hell i'd settle for your basic fan.

I think all can agree that our best performance so far this year was against Villa, no?

And exactly how long was he on the left for?

[El Jefecito]

come on el jef explain to me any reason whatsoever WE would buy robbie keane for 20 million and play him on the left? of course its Rafa its not like the lads decided he'll play there 'cos he fancies a change.

No-one said it wasn't Rafa. It's just that you've hung, drawn and quartered the guy on the basis of a 30 minute cameo. You DON'T KNOW that it won't work. It worked for Fergie, so why can't it work for us?

BUT before the lad has even been given a chance you are writing him off.

[Red_Polo]

You mean like us at the tail end of the season? Like us who scored more goals than any other PL team last year? Like us who have won more since Rafa has been here than Arsenal.

Eh? The thread is supposed to be about Keane and the fact he was played out wide for some time on the weekend. Let's not veer away from the topic and unnecessarily turn the thread into some ridiculous extreme pro vs extreme anti Rafa bull****. Most people just want to talk about the club without being shoved into either of those two groups.

[El Jefecito]

No, like us who don't win enough matches, but more significantly, it's not about history, it's about us playing really poor football this seaon, having no shape, not passing the ball well and looking clueless.

Could there possibly be other reasons for that? Any at all, or is it ALL down to this?

It couldn't be about, players learning a new system?
Not getting players till late because of the olympics?
SG having to play in CM instead of in the 3?
SG/Torres being injured?
Babel not match sharp yet?
etc
etc

Hell, no its ALL because Keane played for 30mins on the left.

Pathetic.

[El Jefecito]

Eh? The thread is supposed to be about Keane and the fact he was played out wide for some time on the weekend. Let's not veer away from the topic and unnecessarily turn the thread into some ridiculous extreme pro vs extreme anti Rafa bull****. Most people just want to talk about the club without being shoved into either of those two groups.

People become members of that group based on what they post. I can't control that.

I'm assuming I will be afforded the same degree of vehmence in my defence of the club as the naysayers are in their denigration of the club and players?

[red g]

Sometimes they surprise you; Danny Mills had 12 of 'em or something.

really? i have met danny mills on a few occasions and he strikes me as a right inbred cnut

[Red_Polo]

Not defensive at all. An I ain't invoking the "superfan" card, hell i'd settle for your basic fan.

I think all can agree that our best performance so far this year was against Villa, no?

And exactly how long was he on the left for?

I'll settle for nobody on this forum appointing themselves the judge of who is or isn't a good fan.

I don't see how the overall quality of the performance or the length of time Keane was on the left for is relevant. The point is that he was there by design and Rafa has intimated he will be played out wide at times, something some people feel is a bad idea. It's pretty basic. You don't have to be an moronic Rafa-boooing cuntmonger to think if we want the best out of Keane we should only play him out wide in extenuating circumstances. It's just having an opinion on football which happens to be different to Rafa's!

[Kenneth]

Could there possibly be other reasons for that? Any at all, or is it ALL down to this?

It couldn't be about, players learning a new system?
Not getting players till late because of the olympics?
SG having to play in CM instead of in the 3?
SG/Torres being injured?
Babel not match sharp yet?
etc
etc

Hell, no its ALL because Keane played for 30mins on the left.

Pathetic.

Jesus, you need to chill out a bit man. Highly strung today.

And you forgot about Lucas playing on the left too

[El Jefecito]

I'll settle for nobody on this forum appointing themselves the judge of who is or isn't a good fan.

I don't see how the overall quality of the performance or the length of time Keane was on the left for is relevant. The point is that he was there by design and Rafa has intimated he will be played out wide at times, something some people feel is a bad idea. It's pretty basic. You don't have to be an moronic Rafa-boooing cuntmonger to think if we want the best out of Keane we should only play him out wide in extenuating circumstances. It's just having an opinion on football which happens to be different to Rafa's!

You said we under-performed when Keane was on the left. The match thread said that was our best performance this year!!!! I don't know what else I can say.

People are drawing conclusions based on a 30min max cameo. I say that's premature, you don't think so.

Mate, at the most basic level fans, support. You don't need a judge and jury.

[Kenneth]

People become members of that group based on what they post. I can't control that.

I'm assuming I will be afforded the same degree of vehmence in my defence of the club as the naysayers are in their denigration of the club and players?

Seriously, wind it in.

[El Jefecito]

Jesus, you need to chill out a bit man. Highly strung today.

And you forgot about Lucas playing on the left too

I will when people stop making ludricous arguments, easily shown as nothing more than emotive knee-jerking, putting down the club

BTW I say what you did there, ignoring the points which refuted your scaremongering. Clever, very clever.

[El Jefecito]

Seriously, wind it in.

Likewise

[Johnny]

I will when people stop making ludricous arguments, easily shown as nothing more than emotive knee-jerking, putting down the club

BTW I say what you did there, ignoring the points which refuted your scaremongering. Clever, very clever.

I`m behind you mate.

[Kenneth]

I will when people stop making ludricous arguments, easily shown as nothing more than emotive knee-jerking, putting down the club

BTW I say what you did there, ignoring the points which refuted your scaremongering. Clever, very clever.

Whar scaremongering is that then? Or are you kneejerking and reading posts that aren't actually there because it supports your agenda of being surrounded by non-fans who wish to put down the club?

You asked why Fergie isn't criticised in the same way. You got some pretty reasonably answers and then kicked off.