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    Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
    Principles which mean you turn your back on your club? Great principles, those. LFC is bigger than any one person, any manager or any individual, the club was here before any manager and will be here after any manager which takes the reigns.

    You seem to support Rafa Benitez FC, as opposed to Liverpool FC.
    No not at all. I would support any person that became Liverpool manager expect that ****. So I take it you would be happy that someone with no morals would be the figure head of our club.

    Let me enlighten you.

    Jose Mourinho's fury at the fractured skull suffered by Petr Cech on Saturday has not diminished and yesterday he made the extraordinary claim that the goalkeeper could have died because of delays in treatment by South Central ambulance service NHS trust and Reading Football Club.


    Even with the first of two back-to-back Champions' League ties against Barcelona tonight, Mourinho's mind was still on the injury to Cech after a visit to see the player at the Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford on Monday that the Chelsea manager described as "shocking". The condition of Cech, 24, has improved and Mourinho said that he could now speak and had asked for a television to watch football.

    Occupying Mourinho's mind yesterday, however, was the 30 minutes that he claimed elapsed between Chelsea's doctor, Bryan English, "urgently" calling for an ambulance and Cech being picked up and taken to the Royal Berkshire hospital. In a wide-ranging attack on the care Cech received, Mourinho said: "If my goalkeeper dies in that dressing-room because of that process it is something for English football to think about."

    Chelsea are preparing a letter of complaint to the Football Association which will detail all their grievances including the treatment of Cech, the actions of Stephen Hunt, whose knee inflicted the damage, and a touchline fracas involving Reading's coach, Kevin Dillon, and the Chelsea fitness expert, Rui Faria. Mourinho hinted darkly yesterday that he has noted the comments of pundits who had judged it to be an accident.

    On the Cech incident, the Chelsea manager described a train of events that he said quickly became a "nightmare". After Dr English called for an ambulance at the Madejski Stadium he said it became clear the one assigned for match days was on the other side of the pitch and could not reach the dressing-room. Chelsea have suggested the match should have been stopped to allow it to cross the pitch.

    Then Mourinho said that Chelsea's medical team were forced to switch Cech to a wheelchair despite his injuries and put him in a lift. Only then was the ambulance was able to take the Czech goalkeeper to hospital. It is a version of events that is strongly disputed by the South Central NHS Trust ambulance service.

    "It seems to me that when I did the 'shut up' to the Liverpool fans [gesture at the 2005 Carling Cup final] it was a nightmare," Mourinho said. "It was a nightmare that a Manchester City player [Joey Barton] showed half his arse for two seconds - but this is a real nightmare. You like to write a lot of things. This is much more important than football. I'd like someone to tell me why my goalkeeper was in this situation for 30 minutes."

    He got his answer sooner than expected. Reading accused Mourinho of making "very serious factual inaccuracies" and claimed it took just 26 minutes from an ambulance being called to Cech arriving at hospital.

    According to Reading's timeline, Chelsea's medical staff were given a choice of transporting Cech in a wheelchair in a lift or around the pitch on a stretcher to the ambulance. They said after a collision that took place at 5.15pm, the player was in the dressing-room by 5.21pm. "At first it was decided not necessary to call an ambulance," Reading said. "At 5.40pm, Cech's condition deteriorated and the Chelsea doctor called for assistance which was immediately raised from the stadium's medical control."

    Reading and the South Central ambulance service NHS Trust said that at 5.45pm a paramedic examined Cech and called an ambulance which arrived at 5.52pm. By 6.04pm Cech was in the lift and seven minutes later he was in hospital. Reading pointed out that Chelsea had an option to take him around the pitch - Carlo Cudicini was taken by that route later in the day.

    Mourinho also refused to back down in his criticism of Hunt. "I wouldn't change a single word from my interview after the game," he said. "I would rather change them for stronger words but I don't want to do it. I want to forget about it."

    Later he said that he had read comments by Arsène Wenger, Alan Shearer and Mark Lawrenson but that he had not changed his mind that Hunt was to blame. "I don't need other people's opinion to make sure of my judgement. Every time I see the incident the more sure I am about it."

    John Terry said the players taken to visit Cech on Monday were shocked at condition of the goalkeeper, who had to take off an oxygen mask to speak. "It was a shocking experience and he had a lot of tubes coming out of him," Terry said. "But he had a conversation with the lads and he is doing well."
    **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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      I dont need enlightenment, thanks.

      I'm a Liverpool supporter and support the club, my support isnt conditional. Otherwise i wouldnt be a Liverpool supporter.

      You're free to support who you like, just like i'm free to have an opinion on what i perceive to be your on/off support.

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        Originally posted by Rashid View Post
        He has NET spent more than both of them these past 2 years and more than United since he joined - so I stopped reading here.
        C'mon Rash, back up the figures on NET spend please...you keep getting asked, you keep on ignoring...

        And why are we suddenly limiting it to past two years now, not Rafa's complete tenure...

        Also, there's a list on YNWA i think (I'll go find it so you can use your selective objectivity to ignore it), showing the players he had at the start of his tenure, and the players he has at the start of this season, which shows just what he has had to do to transform the squad since his reign began...it's not like United have had to do so, bringing in one or two players to keep their squad ticking over...Rafa has had a rebuilding job to do, and that's not even including youth level.

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          Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
          I dont need enlightenment, thanks.

          I'm a Liverpool supporter and support the club, my support isnt conditional. Otherwise i wouldnt be a Liverpool supporter.

          You're free to support who you like, just like i'm free to have an opinion on what i perceive to be your on/off support.
          Fair enough.

          To be honest I don't really give 2 ****s about your opinion most of what you spout IN MY OPINION is total bollocks anyway.

          Some people in this world have principles and the thought of Mourinho being the manager of the club I love is sickening. I hate everything he stands for and by appointing him it would go against everything that made me fall in love with Liverpool in the first place. I would be a hypocrite if I said otherwise I wouldn't want him anywhere near Liverpool Football Club.
          **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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            Happy to continue supporting during the H&G era though, with their 'accurate' portrayal of the Liverpool Way though, i see. I'm sure they match up to your principles and are an epitome of everything the club stands for.

            It isnt just your french fries you like a double portion of i see, it's standards too.

            In my opinion, naturally. But you couldnt give a fig about my opinion, so i trust you wont have been offended by my post.

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              Sorry, it was from YNWA, and i have shamelessly stolen it...

              This was the 34 man squad when Rafa took over at Liverpool FC

              Keepers
              Dudek
              Kirkland
              Luzi
              Harrison

              Defenders
              Finnan
              Carragher
              Hyypia
              Riise
              Henchoz
              Otsemobor
              Whitbread
              Traore
              Vignal
              Babbel
              Warnock

              Midfielders
              Cheyrou
              Diao
              Biscan
              Gerrard
              Hamman
              Kewell
              Murphy
              Le Tallec
              Diarra
              Partridge
              Potter
              Smicer
              Welsh

              Strikers
              Baros
              Diouf
              Mellor
              Owen
              Pongolle
              Cisse

              In his 4 seasons so far, his approx net spend has been as follows (source LFChistory.net):

              2004/05 - £16mill (if we had decided to keep Owen and lost him on a bosman next season then the budget would be reduced to £8mill, and we would have had an unhappy player on our hands)
              2005/06 – £13mill
              2006/07 - £14mill
              2007/08 - £38mill
              2008/09 - £18mill

              So far, his total net spend since taking over is approx £99mill on transfer fees, and his current 34 man squad looks like this (3 original players from first season, the est brought in by Rafa):

              Keepers
              Reina
              Cavalieri
              Itandje
              Martin

              Defenders
              Carragher
              Hyypia
              Degen
              Arbeloa
              Dossena
              Aurelio
              Insua
              Darby
              Skrtel
              Agger
              Hobbs

              Midfielders
              Gerrard
              Mascherano
              Alonso
              Lucas
              Pennant
              Riera
              Benayoun
              Plessis
              El Zhar
              Spearing
              Leto

              Strikers
              Torres
              Keane
              Babel
              Kuyt
              Ngog
              Nemeth
              Voronin
              Pacheco
              Last edited by Scratch; 10-09-08, 01:41 PM.

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                Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                Happy to continue supporting during the H&G era though, with their 'accurate' portrayal of the Liverpool Way though, i see. I'm sure they match up to your principles and are an epitome of everything the club stands for.

                It isnt just your french fries you like a double portion of i see, it's standards too.
                ???? What's that supposed to mean ?????? Have you ever met me or even seen a picture of me??????

                There is a difference Gillett and Hicks bought Liverpool they weren't appointed like Mourinho would be. When they bought our club they said all the right things and promised us the world now they have gone back on their promises and I want them out like every other Liverpool fan.

                You say you have unconditional support for Liverpool football club yet you go on internet forums after 3 games wanting the managers head even though we haven't been beaten and sit 2nd in the table.
                **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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                  I agree with most posters here that when Rafa first took over, our team is way off Chelsea, Manure and Arse. However, this season is a different story. I believe Rafa has almost 80% of the team he wanted in.

                  So for all those Rafa doubters, lets hear your moanings at the end of this season. We should be able to gauge if Rafa is capable of winning the league. Even if we do not win the league this season, we must see at least an improvement in our play. First by winning Manure this weekend!!

                  I'm prepared to give Rafa another 3 seasons including this after which...............

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                    I have outlined the Net Spend figures many times. Look for it under search.

                    Its time people looked at the facts. He has spent **** loads, been here 4 years and the team can't string 4 passes together.

                    Despite their "****ness" Rafa has won more with the players Houllier had than with the ones he has spent £200m on.

                    We are a charitable bunch. No other big club would accept this type of football, this much money spent and nothing to show for it in 2 years.

                    You can't argue with facts.

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                      So why didn't you also mention the fact that Rafa's team has won more points in the league than with GH players?

                      Isn't that what we all want now? For LFC to win the league!!! So what's your point? To forget about the league and just keep winning the Cups??!!

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                        "Rashid"


                        I stopped reading here....!

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                          Originally posted by sitoca View Post
                          So why didn't you also mention the fact that Rafa's team has won more points in the league than with GH players?

                          Isn't that what we all want now? For LFC to win the league!!! So what's your point? To forget about the league and just keep winning the Cups??!!


                          we are not positionally closer now though mate
                          and we havent acually mounted a challenge past xmas for far too long
                          we can spin the facts to back our arguments we,ve done that plenty o times

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                            Originally posted by sitoca View Post
                            So why didn't you also mention the fact that Rafa's team has won more points in the league than with GH players?

                            Isn't that what we all want now? For LFC to win the league!!! So what's your point? To forget about the league and just keep winning the Cups??!!
                            Maybe the rest of the league was **** that year? Houllier finished 2nd once too! The bottom line is league performance needs to be measured against how well we challenge for the title.

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                              Originally posted by Rashid View Post
                              I have outlined the Net Spend figures many times. Look for it under search.

                              Its time people looked at the facts. He has spent **** loads, been here 4 years and the team can't string 4 passes together.

                              Despite their "****ness" Rafa has won more with the players Houllier had than with the ones he has spent £200m on.

                              We are a charitable bunch. No other big club would accept this type of football, this much money spent and nothing to show for it in 2 years.

                              You can't argue with facts.
                              I don't know the figures I'll just have to take your word for it.

                              I presume the figures are pretty close though? Maybe you are forgetting that when Rafa took over the Chavs, Arsenal and Man U were so far ahead of us with far superior players that he needed to spend a little more money than them.

                              Also we've signed two 20mil players how many have the Chavs and the Scum signed?
                              **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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                                Originally posted by Rashid View Post
                                Maybe the rest of the league was **** that year? Houllier finished 2nd once too! The bottom line is league performance needs to be measured against how well we challenge for the title.
                                Don't believe GH for once have to compete with the likes of Chelsea and now Man City.

                                As I mentioned earlier, Rafa now has the squad he believes will challenge for the league title. I will only start to doubt him if 3 seasons from now we are still ****e. Until then, I'm part of the RCDNW brigade.

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