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    #31
    Originally posted by Sarb24 View Post
    How is it rubbish when you said yourself he was rested against Birmingham? I don't remember Gerrard being injured before the Pompey game. And also Torres didn't look injured when he came on. So why did they start on the bench? Tiredness was cited as an excuse

    I'm not having a go at Rafa. But rotation of main players costs you a title chance
    So you're saying that a draw away to Pompey (Which IMO is a decent result) and a draw at home to Brum cost us the title? Torres might not have looked injured when he came on but the fact remains he went off injured mid week with a hip injury. As for the Brum game we should be beating them easily with the team we put out.

    As for Gerrard then yes it maybe was a mistake to rest him away to Pompey but we are talking about one game. When Fergie rested Ronaldo and they lost to Bolton he got no stick for it.

    Managers make mistakes and I'm not denying Rafa's rotation can be as annoying as hell but the myth about him resting Gerrard and Torres is just that a myth.
    **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Pacman View Post
      No offence fella but it really gets my goat up when people start talking about resting Stevie and Nando and using that as a stick to beat the manager. I agree Rafa has made mistakes with his team selections and has made changes in the past for sake of it but the resting Torres and Stevie thing is a load of rubbish.
      I agree you are quite right. Others have also been right in saying Rafa has made to many changes in the past. 1-3 changes every week is fine. Anything more and it is counter productive.

      In the league that is anyhow. Any other competition and I'll not complain.
      Forwards.......

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        #33
        Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
        I agree you are quite right. Others have also been right in saying Rafa has made to many changes in the past. 1-3 changes every week is fine. Anything more and it is counter productive.

        In the league that is anyhow. Any other competition and I'll not complain.
        I agree.

        What Sarb said was totally correct keep your spine and rotate round that. Sometimes Rafa makes 6 or 7 changes and it's clear it doesn't work.
        **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Sarb24 View Post
          Nail on head. He did on occasions. You're telling me Torres and Gerrard were tired three or four games into last season?

          The article indicates that Rafa has finally clicked that rotating players in form is not always wise. And yes, it's what some people have been saying all along...so there's no need to give credit
          Torres was carrying an injury, often forgotten by your type when spouting about this ****
          "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

          "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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            #35
            Originally posted by Pacman View Post
            I agree.

            What Sarb said was totally correct keep your spine and rotate round that. Sometimes Rafa makes 6 or 7 changes and it's clear it doesn't work.
            Yeah agree. Keep the defence similar for the obvious reasons. Keep Gerrard and Torres on as they are the players that provide that extra quality. The other players are of varying ability so can be rotated.

            When we have the game in the bag then we can take off the players we see as key to winning the title. Winning 6-0 against Derby last year was great, but that is the kind of game where you can take your star players off and let the subs come on and have a go. If the game is as good as over at half time make some changes then.
            Forwards.......

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              #36
              Originally posted by Sarb24 View Post
              How is it rubbish when you said yourself he was rested against Birmingham? I don't remember Gerrard being injured before the Pompey game. And also Torres didn't look injured when he came on. So why did they start on the bench? Tiredness was cited as an excuse

              I'm not having a go at Rafa. But rotation of main players costs you a title chance
              its rubbish because he did it once all season thats why. that cost us 2 points.

              Were he and gerrard not rested against man u? why arent you complaining about that?

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                #37
                Originally posted by red g View Post
                yes of course because before he purposely left them out when they were playing well, I love the way you give the bloke zero credit or i suppose you are now coz he is doing waht you said all along
                How am i giving him zero credit? If he maintains a sense of consistency in his lineups, he's doing well and i'm pleased. By highlighting how much less he is rotating, i AM giving him credit.

                Quite simple when you think about it.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Harveybirdman View Post
                  Torres was carrying an injury, often forgotten by your type when spouting about this ****
                  What alot of people refer to is if he's fit enough to be on the bench he's fit enough to play. I myself disagree with that. Sometimes players are only good for half an hour, and it is better to bring them on against tired opposition with 25 minutes to go than to start them.
                  Forwards.......

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                    #39
                    Thing is though danny, if a striker gets injured in the first 5 or 10 mins, what do you then do? You have to bring him off the bench, so it's reasonable to suggest that, especially in the era of 5 subs, you'd rarely have a player on the bench if he could only manage half an hour, very few would risk it.

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                      #40
                      i wonder what they would have said had we lost to Manure with Gerrard and Torres on the bench
                      "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                      "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                        Thing is though danny, if a striker gets injured in the first 5 or 10 mins, what do you then do? You have to bring him off the bench, so it's reasonable to suggest that, especially in the era of 5 subs, you'd rarely have a player on the bench if he could only manage half an hour, very few would risk it.
                        how often does that happen though? Not very often at all.
                        "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                        "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Harveybirdman View Post
                          i wonder what they would have said had we lost to Manure with Gerrard and Torres on the bench
                          Well Torres had torn a hamstring 2 weeks earlier and Gerrard had just recovered from groin surgery, so that's a little bit different.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Harveybirdman View Post
                            how often does that happen though? Not very often at all.
                            Not very often at all, no. Rafa's not one for taking risks though, is he?

                            The same argument is valid when talking about spending all of your budget on one or two top players, and then people say 'but what if you do that and they get injured?'

                            Not very often that it happens.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                              Not very often at all, no. Rafa's not one for taking risks though, is he?

                              The same argument is valid when talking about spending all of your budget on one or two top players, and then people say 'but what if you do that and they get injured?'

                              Not very often that it happens.
                              he takes risk, look at some of his transfers
                              "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                              "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                                Well Torres had torn a hamstring 2 weeks earlier and Gerrard had just recovered from groin surgery, so that's a little bit different.
                                but they were on the bench, so they must have been fit
                                "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                                "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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