Vitor Flora

[spinaltap]

Dos anybody know what happened to Vitor Flora ??

Have not seen him in the reserves yet ?


any updates

[AFII]

He scored one of the goals against Pompey for our reserves.

NUGENT BACK IN ACTION AGAINST LIVERPOOL

A fit-again David Nugent could not prevent a Pompey reserve side losing 4-1 to Liverpool in a behind-closed-doors friendly.

The striker played 45 minutes in the match at the club's Eastleigh training ground - his first action since being sidelined by groin surgery.

And he made an immediate impression, winning a 19th-minute penalty which Arnold Mvuemba stroked home.

But that was as good as it got for a strong Blues side containing Kanu, John Utaka and Younes Kaboul.

A handball by Kaboul gifted Liverpool an equaliser on 25 minutes, Vitor Flora sending Jamie Ashdown the wrong way from the resulting spot-kick.]

The Blues went behind four minutes later when Mikil San Jose sidefooted home a corner.

Utaka fired narrowly over as the Blues tried to find a response. But it was Liverpool who scored again, midfielder Steve Irwin turning in a cross to make it 3-1.

Pompey twice came close to pulling one back in a game played in torrential rain, with Kanu shooting narrowly wide and Kaboul having a shot cleared off the line.

But Liverpool had the final say when substitute Jordy Brouwer completed the scoring with 10 minutes left, finishing a cross from close range.

Pompey: Ashdown; Lauren, Kaboul, Wilson, D.Traore; Nugent (Duffy 46), Mvuemba, Hughes, Utaka; Kanu, Sahar.

Liverpool: Bouzanis; Mendy, Ayala, San Jose, Kelly; Crowther, Spearing, Irwin, Weijl; Pacheco, Flora.

http://www.portsmouth.vitalfootball....e.asp?a=131480

[El Jefecito]

That is one hell of a result given the strength of that Pompey lineup. Hopefully, with Nemeth back soon, the lads will kick on from this.

[aa4f4fsd47]

He scored a penalty?

[Shaggy]

What a ****ing win! That Pompey team is seriously strong.

[dww]

Agreed with the general feeling that we achieved a very good result there. I do wonder how much of this seasons poor reserve form is because the players feel there is nowhere to go after previous successes at that level and that a game against top players is what they needed to get motivated.

I think it is a real problem for our youth setup to get consistent games that players can learn from.

[PTP]

Agreed with the general feeling that we achieved a very good result there. I do wonder how much of this seasons poor reserve form is because the players feel there is nowhere to go after previous successes at that level and that a game against top players is what they needed to get motivated.

I think it is a real problem for our youth setup to get consistent games that players can learn from.

it' such a big/tough debate this though, the whole youth player/ressie issue. I honestly don't think anyone in our reserves/youth players will go on to start more than 50 games for liverpool. I just don't see it, really really hope i'm wrong - but right now we have two first XI's

GK
reina cavlierie

Defenders
Arbeloa Carragher Agger Skrtel Hyppia Dossena Aurelio Degen

Midfielders
Gerrard Alonso Mascherano Lucas Riera Pennant Benayoun

Attackers
Torres Keane Kuyt Babel N'gog


Outside of that 22 man squad we must have at least 20 youngsters/reserves you can name of the top of your head who just won't get a look in. The closest to the first are El Zhar, Plessis, Insua, Darby - probably in that order. Obviously i'd like to see say Darby coming through but i just can't see it. And i havent thought about Nemeth, Pacheco, Spearing FLora etc etc etc Hobbs, Anderson!!

The only way i could maybe see this happening is if we won the league this season with our current squad - if we won the league, it would a hell of an achievement release tons of pressure of the players and manager and then rafa might be an a position then to turn round and bin off

degen
a left back
a centre back (sami as he retires for example)
Lucas
Benayoun
Pennant
Ngog

and then promote and give chances and a ful season to impress and develop to the likes of
Darby
Insua
Hobbs
Plessis
Elzhar
Pacheco
Nemeth

etc - but at the moment rafa can't afford to play these players, if he brings them in and they aren't good enough, are title hopes slip away etc he would get slaughtered.

Anyway - I hope I get proved wrong and we see 3 or 4 of them as regular first teamers here in 4 years time.

Hopefully for the carling cup game he will sent a load of them on the pitch so we can get a closer look at them at least.

[Woobus]

The closest to the first are El Zhar

I think El Zhar might have a big season for us next year, bring him in slowly this year get him used to the first team and playing in front of big crowds. Pennant should be sold before the start of next season which will leave the spot free.

[PTP]

I think El Zhar might have a big season for us next year, bring him in slowly this year get him used to the first team and playing in front of big crowds. Pennant should be sold before the start of next season which will leave the spot free.

To be honest I don't see why pennant doesn't just go now, at best he is now a bit part player and El Zhar can do that job for us, it would give him a bit more of a chance to get a game if pennant was out the way,

I had high hopes for pennant, so not slagging him off in anyway - it was a gamble signing, prob best we could afford at the time and it didn't work out, move him on for a few mil and give el zhar a chance to step up.

[dww]

it' such a big/tough debate this though, the whole youth player/ressie issue. I honestly don't think anyone in our reserves/youth players will go on to start more than 50 games for liverpool. I just don't see it, really really hope i'm wrong - but right now we have two first XI's

GK
reina cavlierie

Defenders
Arbeloa Carragher Agger Skrtel Hyppia Dossena Aurelio Degen

Midfielders
Gerrard Alonso Mascherano Lucas Riera Pennant Benayoun

Attackers
Torres Keane Kuyt Babel N'gog


Outside of that 22 man squad we must have at least 20 youngsters/reserves you can name of the top of your head who just won't get a look in. The closest to the first are El Zhar, Plessis, Insua, Darby - probably in that order. Obviously i'd like to see say Darby coming through but i just can't see it. And i havent thought about Nemeth, Pacheco, Spearing FLora etc etc etc Hobbs, Anderson!!

The only way i could maybe see this happening is if we won the league this season with our current squad - if we won the league, it would a hell of an achievement release tons of pressure of the players and manager and then rafa might be an a position then to turn round and bin off

degen
a left back
a centre back (sami as he retires for example)
Lucas
Benayoun
Pennant
Ngog

and then promote and give chances and a ful season to impress and develop to the likes of
Darby
Insua
Hobbs
Plessis
Elzhar
Pacheco
Nemeth

etc - but at the moment rafa can't afford to play these players, if he brings them in and they aren't good enough, are title hopes slip away etc he would get slaughtered.

Anyway - I hope I get proved wrong and we see 3 or 4 of them as regular first teamers here in 4 years time.

Hopefully for the carling cup game he will sent a load of them on the pitch so we can get a closer look at them at least.

I can see what you are saying but at the minute the way the reserves league etc seems to work there is no chance for these players to really progress. The fact it is such a poor level must have an impact on them. There are players both in the reserves and the fringes of the first team who obviously need games to kick on (or to be judged as simply not up to it at the top level).

The problem has been for years that we have needed to compete in all competitions without the squad to do it really. This has meant that it has been hard to fit the odd youngster into the team without weakening an already less than stellar team. What was unfortunate last year when the reserves were doing well and might well have been a good source of players for the cups was that Rafa was under fire from all quarters.

Now the reserves are playing less well using a largely reserve team in the Cup would be a foolish idea as we are likely to go out and have a lower chance of any of the young players getting more than one game. So we have to look to give only a select few a game.

I think El Zhar has been pretty strong competition for Pennant this season (I have a suspicion that part of playing Pennant is to keep him in peoples mind for a sale). We do however need to at least be filling those second choice and utility spots with young players in the future. We need to be thinking in terms of Pachecho (say) being the next Benayoun and trying to make a production line of solid players like Arbeloa who have all the basic skills to fill in. I don't think this is an unrealistic goal but we need to find outlets possibly in this country and possibly abroad to get players experience.

Arsenal for example used a connection to Steve Bruce to loan out Larrsson, Muamba and Bendtner to Brum which got them decent standard games. Two were sold for good money one helps fill out their squad. I think that Plessis at least has the talent to be very good at that sort of level and may well kick on. I would suggest that Insua and Spearing too could be good.

I think it was foolish of Nemeth to refuse a loan but you can understand why with us having little history of using them to bring players on for the first team he was hesitant to take the option. the only way IMO is to make it seem a normal part of player development - possibly using shorter 3-4 month loans.

We have too many player for too few games at reserve level and probably need to be looking at some way of trimming this as well. I think you have to look at examples like the UK cycling training scheme where trying to put the efforts into a large number of people was rejected as a strategy after a few years in favour of concentrating efforts on those who were showing the prerequisite drive to succeed. To a degree anyone happy to stay in our reserves for two or more years probably doesn't have it after the age of about 19/20.

Maybe we could look at selling players cheaply to local clubs with buy back clauses?

The solution isn't simple or obvious but I do think that we need to change things.

[PTP]

aye - its a tough one - i totally agree that the reserve league 'set up' is a shambles, hence why (was it?) benitez and mourinho both at times side they should have a B team in the lower leagues. Obv i don't think that is feasable either but as it is, as you say - we have far too many players in the ressies.youth set up and not enough competive games.

Loan is the obvious option - but all that has achieved for Liverpool is farming out players with potential, giving them a few games somewhere and it's almost as if the club, staff, management or whoever think well he has been away for two years, we haven't missed him and they want to sign him for £3m so let him go.

Prime example is Danny Guthrie - without turning this into a thread on lucas, cause i still have high hopes for him - but surely most fans would have prefered us to have kept, trained, developed guthrie and had him as 4th choice centre mid doing what lucas is doing now, getting a few games as a sub or starting due to rotation etc.

[saj]

I don't see why people seem to think that Pacheco should be promoted to the first team squad next year. If you've seen him play for the reserves this year, he has been woeful. He's not strong/quick enough at reserve level but yet people seem to think he's almost at premiership level.

Yes he has a wonderful pass on him in the final third but other than that he doesn't offer much else. He is also very greedy and is way too raw to be considered for the first team squad for at least another 2/3 years.

Nemeth on the other hand is the exact opposite going off last season. He's strong, great with his back to goal and is a great finisher.

[Sarb]

Agreed with the general feeling that we achieved a very good result there. I do wonder how much of this seasons poor reserve form is because the players feel there is nowhere to go after previous successes at that level and that a game against top players is what they needed to get motivated.

I think it is a real problem for our youth setup to get consistent games that players can learn from.

You stole the point I made yesterday! :-)

No motivation as there appears no step up for them

[El Jefecito]

I don't see why people seem to think that Pacheco should be promoted to the first team squad next year. If you've seen him play for the reserves this year, he has been woeful. He's not strong/quick enough at reserve level but yet people seem to think he's almost at premiership level.

Yes he has a wonderful pass on him in the final third but other than that he doesn't offer much else. He is also very greedy and is way too raw to be considered for the first team squad for at least another 2/3 years.

Nemeth on the other hand is the exact opposite going off last season. He's strong, great with his back to goal and is a great finisher.

Pacheco reminds me of Benni. Nemeth reminds me of Kenny h:

[Sarb]

aye - its a tough one - i totally agree that the reserve league 'set up' is a shambles, hence why (was it?) benitez and mourinho both at times side they should have a B team in the lower leagues. Obv i don't think that is feasable either but as it is, as you say - we have far too many players in the ressies.youth set up and not enough competive games.

Loan is the obvious option - but all that has achieved for Liverpool is farming out players with potential, giving them a few games somewhere and it's almost as if the club, staff, management or whoever think well he has been away for two years, we haven't missed him and they want to sign him for £3m so let him go.

Prime example is Danny Guthrie - without turning this into a thread on lucas, cause i still have high hopes for him - but surely most fans would have prefered us to have kept, trained, developed guthrie and had him as 4th choice centre mid doing what lucas is doing now, getting a few games as a sub or starting due to rotation etc.

Agreed. Could have saved £8m to boot