Vitor Flora

[Redspin]

Agreed. Could have saved £8m to boot

Yes but we got £2.5M or so for Guthrie, who was never going to make it and is now below Barton in the pecking order even at a lamentable team like Newcastle. When we signed Lucas he was the current Brazilian Player of the Year. While he's been disappointing, he's shown enough for me to think that there could be more to come, whereas Guthrie would have been purely a Carling Cup player at best with no realistic chance of being even a regular sub for us in other competitions

[ukfootballfan101]

IMO when the new owners come in they need to make some big changes to the youth setup. The academy should be closed for a start, all the youth players should be training on the same site as the first team. If Melwood can't be expanded (or isn't already big enough) we should move elsewhere.

From other articles I've read some of the backroom staff aren't up to standard so their needs to be a top to bottom review of all staff, anyone who isn't up to should be let go.

The next and IMO most important thing is that Rafa, his staff and the management of the academy need to agree upon a training program for every age group, from 5 to 18. This should be to aimed at maximising the technical ability of each player and ensuring if he is still at the club at 18-19 he is good enough to be on the bench for the first team. We need to learn lessons from the top youth setups in Europe and South America - How come there are tiny brazilians clubs that are like production lines, churning out player after player and selling them to europe? And its BS if you think its because the lads over there are kicking some 20 year ball around a shanty town all day, its because they have youth setups aimed at developing technical ability from a REALLY young age.

Then we need to look at the lads we have and decide which should be let go. I've taken the squad list from the offical site and marked off the ones I think should be sold:-


22. Emiliano Insua - SOLD
26. Jay Spearing - SOLD
28. Damien Plessis - KEPT
29. Krisztian Nemeth - SOLD
30. Charles Itandje - SOLD
31. Nabil El Zhar - KEPT
32. Stephen Darby - KEPT
34. Martin Kelly - ?
35. Ryan Flynn - ?
36. Steven Irwin - ?
38. Craig Lindfield - SOLD
39. Nathan Eccleston - ?
41. Martin Hansen - ?
42. Peter Gulacsi - ?
- Godwin Antwi - SOLD
- Daniel Sanchez Ayala - KEPT
- Vincent Lucas Weijl - SOLD
- Vitor Coutinho Flora - KEPT
- Zsolt Poloskei - ?
- Dean Bouzanis - ?
- Emmanuel Mendy - ?
- Nikola Saric - ?
- Paul Anderson - SOLD
- Gerardo Alfredo Bruna Blanco - KEPT
- Daniel Pacheco - ?
- Mikel San Jose Dominguez - ?
- Jordy Brouwer - SOLD
- Ryan Crowther - ?
- Sebastian Leto - SOLD
- Gary Mackay-Steven - ?
- Andras Simon ? KEPT
- Ray Putterill - ?
- Francisco Duran - KEPT
- Robbie Threlfall - ?
- Miki Roque - ?
- Jack Hobbs - KEPT
- Ronald Huth - ?
- David Martin - ?
- Adam Hammill - KEPT

The ones with question marks are players that I either don't know enough about or who I think its to early to judge.

If we do all of the above then maybe the lads who are 9 and 10 years old now will get the training they need and will be in an environment where they can be good enough to get in the first team.

[Sarb]

You would sell Nemeth and Insua? Have you gone mad?

[Shaggy]

22. Emiliano Insua - SOLD
29. Krisztian Nemeth - SOLD
- Vincent Lucas Weijl - SOLD
- Vitor Coutinho Flora - KEPT
- Andras Simon ? KEPT
- Jack Hobbs - KEPT
- Adam Hammill - KEPT

WTF? Are you for real?

You'd sell Insua? Based on what?

You'd sell Nemeth and keep his vastly inferior compatriot Simon, along with Flora FFS? Seriously?

You'd keep HOBBS and HAMMILL?!?!? Players who patently are not good enough - yet you'd sell someone like Weijl, who has only just arrived and is, by all accounts, doing exceptionally well.

Or have I missed something?

[ukfootballfan101]

You would sell Nemeth and Insua? Have you gone mad?

I would maybe keep Insua, but isn't there a problem with his passport?

Nemeth - I'm not a fan. I don't think he would be able to hack it in the prem.

Please, if you are going to have a go at me about Nemeth, can you only do so if you have actually watched him play - Like I have!!!!!!!

[Shaggy]

Please, if you are going to have a go at me about Nemeth, can you only do so if you have actually watched him play - Like I have!!!!!!!

Most people on here have seen Nemeth play.

I've seen Nemeth play both in the flesh as well as on television - have you?

You're entitled to not rate him but whether you rate him or not it would make absolutely no sense to sell him while keeping the patently inferior Simon and utterly unproven (even at reserve level) Flora.

[ukfootballfan101]

WTF? Are you for real?

You'd sell Insua? Based on what?

You'd sell Nemeth and keep his vastly inferior compatriot Simon, along with Flora FFS? Seriously?

You'd keep HOBBS and HAMMILL?!?!? Players who patently are not good enough - yet you'd sell someone like Weijl, who has only just arrived and is, by all accounts, doing exceptionally well.

Or have I missed something?

Simon, that was a typo, I put a ? - I'm not sure about him.
Insua, not sure about him.
Nemeth IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE IT IN THE PREM!
Hobbs - we need a back up CB, he looks good, IMO good enough to have another year to prove himself.
Hammil was GREAT out on loan in Scotland last year.
Weijl - I'll change him to a ?
Flora, he's a year younger than Nemeth, could he develop into a player as good as Nemeth in a years time? maybe

[Reece]

Very odd indeed.

I have watched Nemeth a lot and to me he is our outstanding talent in the reserves/youth setup.

[ukfootballfan101]

Most people on here have seen Nemeth play.

I've seen Nemeth play both in the flesh as well as on television - have you?

You're entitled to not rate him but whether you rate him or not it would make absolutely no sense to sell him while keeping the patently inferior Simon and utterly unproven (even at reserve level) Flora.

I have seen him play, I went to most of the home reserve games last year and I honestly don't think he's good enough.

Simon, I've not seen much of so if other people who have seen him play say he's no good, i'll take their word for it.

Flora has been here for 3 MONTHS! He needs to be given a chance to prove himself.

Nemeth has proven he is to good to play in the reserves but IMO not good enough for the first team.

[Shaggy]

Simon, that was a typo, I put a ? - I'm not sure about him.
Insua, not sure about him.
Nemeth IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE IT IN THE PREM!
Hobbs - we need a back up CB, he looks good, IMO good enough to have another year to prove himself.
Hammil was GREAT out on loan in Scotland last year.
Weijl - I'll change him to a ?
Flora, he's a year younger than Nemeth, could he develop into a player as good as Nemeth in a years time? maybe

OK...you don't rate Nemeth, bizarre but fair enough.

However I can't believe you rate Hobbs as good enough to be a back-up centre-back. It saddens me to say he's miles away from being good enough, IMO.

Hammill did have a good year in Scotland but has since been unable to shine at Southampton and now frequently warms the bench for ****ing Blackpool! Come off it mate.

[ukfootballfan101]

OK...you don't rate Nemeth, bizarre but fair enough.

However I can't believe you rate Hobbs as good enough to be a back-up centre-back. It saddens me to say he's miles away from being good enough, IMO.

Hammill did have a good year in Scotland but has since been unable to shine at Southampton and now frequently warms the bench for ****ing Blackpool! Come off it mate.

I wasn't aware of Hammills problems at Blackpool so fair enough.

I'll respect your opinion about Hobbs, but I think its easier as a teenager to be a good forward, its much harder to be a good defender at the same age, I think, although he's made mistakes I think training with Sami etc every day could help him with his positional awareness etc.

What does everyone think about the rest of my post, rather than my opinions on which players we should keep/sell?

[Reece]

Just utterly bizarre is all I have left to say.

[ukfootballfan101]

Just utterly bizarre is all I have left to say.

I would prefer to discuss the rest of my post rather than my opinions on which players I would sell/keep. BUT on the whole Nemeth (forward) v Hobbs (defender) issue, think about all the top young stars around europe, to name a few there are; Pato (Milan), Bojan (Barca) and Walcott to name 3 of so many. What do they all have in common? they are forwards.

There are a couple of defenders; Marcelo the Left back at Real Madrid, who is great going forward but dodgy defensively, Richards at City - IMO the most over rated player ever, Caceres who is a centre back who Barcelona signed in the summer have a great year last year, but hasn't played much this season, Breno at Bayern? - he's hardly played.

What I mean is, its far easier as a teenage player to look good as a forward, but it takes longer for defenders to develop, so for that reason I think it is to early to judge Hobbs.

[Woobus]

I have seen him play, I went to most of the home reserve games last year and I honestly don't think he's good enough.

You went to most of the home games you you hardly know any of the players? I am guessing you would have least have known Insua. Dont think he has passport problems, maybe you are thinking of Leto?

[saj]

I wasn't aware of Hammills problems at Blackpool so fair enough.

I'll respect your opinion about Hobbs, but I think its easier as a teenager to be a good forward, its much harder to be a good defender at the same age, I think, although he's made mistakes I think training with Sami etc every day could help him with his positional awareness etc.

What does everyone think about the rest of my post, rather than my opinions on which players we should keep/sell?

My opinion with regards to the squad list you disected is that it is the fourth worst post I have read on this forum.

That Wiejl guy has only played 2 reserve games but yet you have deemed him surplus to requirements.

You say you would keep Bruna and Simon but yet get rid of Nemeth? How, why? Bruna has shown virtually nothing for the reserves this year and clearly should be playing for the Under 18's - but Liverpool can't do this as he was promised he would go straight into the reserves. The reason why he left Madrid was because they weren't giving him indications as to when they were gonna promote him to the reserve or C team or whatever the **** they call it (I'm not saying Bruna should be got rid of - he has a lot prove/develop). But yet Nemeth has a sensational scoring record both from his previous club, his international team and also our reserve team. In fact, hasn't he scored more goals than he's played games?

Simon, well he's decent but Brouwer is keeping him out of the reserve team which says it all. But we'll keep him just because you've never seen him play.

And for your information, the majority of reserve games are shown on LFC.TV and have been for the last few years. A huge portion of people on this forum have seen the reserves play on numerous occasions. And although I'm pretty much an unknown degenerate on this forum, I think it's fair to say that I speak for 99% of the people who browse this forum who all agree that Nemeth is an outstanding player and possibly one of the best young natural strikers we've had on our books since Fowler. People are comparing him to Dalglish FFS!