Kids ?

[Only1mboy]

After watching the Arsenal kids playing tonight i was in awe.
These kids are better than some of our first team players.

And its not just Arsenal whose Academies are doing well looking at some of the Scum kids like the Da silva Twins,
Posibon and Welbec Man City also have great kids coming through aswell as Aston Villa.

But the real question is thier kids are breaking through unlike ours who seem to be getting stagnent so what do to fix it.

It must be all down to the coaching style and mentality.

I just cant see where the next Owen,Gerrard and Carra are going to come from and its very depressing considering the amout of investment that gone in the academy.

Instead of buying so many youngsters that cant even break an egg let along break into the first team why not poach Barcelona,Real,Ajax or even Arsenal coaches instead.

There are so many places in our first team kids could be fighting for (Left and Right back Right wing and Forwards)

Does anyone know if any of our youngsters would get into the arsenal team?

I think not

[ukfootballfan101]

I posted this in the Flora thread a few hours ago:-

IMO when the new owners come in they need to make some big changes to the youth setup. The academy should be closed for a start, all the youth players should be training on the same site as the first team. If Melwood can't be expanded (or isn't already big enough) we should move elsewhere.

From other articles I've read some of the backroom staff aren't up to standard so their needs to be a top to bottom review of all staff, anyone who isn't up to should be let go.

The next and IMO most important thing is that Rafa, his staff and the management of the academy need to agree upon a training program for every age group, from 5 to 18. This should be to aimed at maximising the technical ability of each player and ensuring if he is still at the club at 18-19 he is good enough to be on the bench for the first team. We need to learn lessons from the top youth setups in Europe and South America - How come there are tiny brazilians clubs that are like production lines, churning out player after player and selling them to europe? And its BS if you think its because the lads over there are kicking some 20 year ball around a shanty town all day, its because they have youth setups aimed at developing technical ability from a REALLY young age.

Then we need to look at the lads we have and decide which should be let go.

[AFII]

Rafa hasn't had that much time to build up the Academy yet. Many of our very promising youngsters are 17-19 years old. That is a couple of years to early to start playing that much in the PL.

Judge Rafa's youth system in around two, three years time. Then we will see if it's good enough because that is the time when the youngsters should start to break through.

It would be different in La Liga or Serie A because of the less physical style of play. The body must be stronger to cope in the PL and that means that it will take longer time before a youngster will break through if you are not an exceptional talent.

[Only1mboy]

The arsenals kids bodies are tiny look at Whiltshire 16 and better than Lucas already. Speed, Vision,confidence,belief,movement, passing ,quick thinking , ball shielding, and comfortable on the ball and is only 16.
Dont know about bodies being stronger wigan are a very strong side and they got out played in edvery department.

[pondus]

Plaese sign Chivu, Young and Alves

Sorry, had to do it

[BigChief]

I see you're falling for the kids myth as well. Apart from Fabregas and Clichy I can't think of any Arsenal youngster that's stood out. Wigan were dreadful, no they were more than dreadful...they were uninterested. Every single player except Kirkland couldn't give a flying f*ck about this game and it showed.

Witness how poorly their latest young protege, Denilson, has been in the league where teams really 'play up the Arsenal'. Stoke and Hull being the examples I quoteth.

[Rashid]

Kids need to be trusted and given a chance to shine... just look at Babel... thats forgetting the real youngsters we have who are a million miles away from the first team.

[Rashid]

I see you're falling for the kids myth as well. Apart from Fabregas and Clichy I can't think of any Arsenal youngster that's stood out. Wigan were dreadful, no they were more than dreadful...they were uninterested. Every single player except Kirkland couldn't give a flying f*ck about this game and it showed.

Witness how poorly their latest young protege, Denilson, has been in the league where teams really 'play up the Arsenal'. Stoke and Hull being the examples I quoteth.

What? About 5 stood out as really special.

[BigChief]

What? About 5 stood out as really special.

Except for Clichy, Fabregas, Walcott and Denilson I have not seen any of the other 'wonderful' kids play in a real competitive match. And only Fabregas and Clichy have stood out for me. Denilson is a flop and Walcott is on/off.

[wiw]

Rafa hasn't had that much time to build up the Academy yet. Many of our very promising youngsters are 17-19 years old. That is a couple of years to early to start playing that much in the PL.

Judge Rafa's youth system in around two, three years time. Then we will see if it's good enough because that is the time when the youngsters should start to break through.

It would be different in La Liga or Serie A because of the less physical style of play. The body must be stronger to cope in the PL and that means that it will take longer time before a youngster will break through if you are not an exceptional talent.

look where blooding youngsters has got Arsenal in the last 3 seasons. Some mature quickly and have a big part to play, but whatever you gain in confidence and energy you perhaps lose with inconsistency and lack of the right mentality at times

[Guest]

I can't see what's so special with the Arsenal youngsters. Lots of foreign kids there, just as us. Nothing to see here.

[-V-]

I wish we could do things the Arsenal way.

That way we could lose to Fulham, Stoke and Hull too. I wish.

What a load of ****ing bollocks. Vela is good and so is Jack Wilshire. The rest are just decent. Vela was not even trained by Arsenal and neither was Ramsay. Get a grip, judge arsenal by there results ffs not just the mickey mouse cup. How any of those 'Kids' will actually make the grade? Id say no more than 4 and 2 of them were only recently bought by Wenger (Ramsay and Vela)

The guy who is saying close the acadamy and do a full review of our coaches must be smoking some good ****. Rafa has put alot of effort into our youth set-up over the past couple of years and when Insua/Nemeth/Brenu/Simon/Plessis/Gulacsi/Pecheco are ready they will be brought through im sure. They are not ready YET because our senior team is one of the best in the world and that is a hell of a benchmark to reach for the kids.

[Craig_H]

Rafa hasn't had that much time to build up the Academy yet. Many of our very promising youngsters are 17-19 years old. That is a couple of years to early to start playing that much in the PL.

Judge Rafa's youth system in around two, three years time. Then we will see if it's good enough because that is the time when the youngsters should start to break through.

It would be different in La Liga or Serie A because of the less physical style of play. The body must be stronger to cope in the PL and that means that it will take longer time before a youngster will break through if you are not an exceptional talent.

Why cant they play in the league cup then?

Some of Arsenal's kids are about 16 and look a class apart.

[Craig_H]

Except for Clichy, Fabregas, Walcott and Denilson I have not seen any of the other 'wonderful' kids play in a real competitive match. And only Fabregas and Clichy have stood out for me. Denilson is a flop and Walcott is on/off.

I can't see what's so special with the Arsenal youngsters. Lots of foreign kids there, just as us. Nothing to see here.

Did you watch their game tonight?

Our kids dont even win their own league. Arsenal's batter Championship sides 6-0 and beat Wigan 3-0. Our first team dont even do that.

[El Jefecito]

Did you watch their game tonight?

Our kids dont even win their own league. Arsenal's batter Championship sides 6-0 and beat Wigan 3-0. Our first team dont even do that.

Our reserves are national champions actually!

Read this for another perspective.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/09/27/arsenal-kids-to-rule-sorry-arsene-wenger-but-football-s-not-that-simple-115875-20755629/

Arsenal kids to rule? Sorry Arsene Wenger, but football's not that simple

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By Brian Reade 27/09/2008

Michel Platini could have picked a better week to tell the world that Arsene Wenger was more interested in hard business than pure football.

You didn't need to witness Arsenal's Carling Cup annihilation of Sheffield United to realise Platini is turning into one of those annoying Parisian street theatre clowns you want to nudge into the path of a passing Citroen.

You just had to look at the 6-0 scoreline, the average age of his team, 19, and the adjectives being used to describe the kids' performances to realise that UEFA's boss has either gone totally ga-ga, or his hatred of English football has left him in need of a labrador and a white stick.

Even Platini's mantra that he only attacks the Premiership's Big Four because he's worried about them stifling native talent was exposed as a lie, as on Tuesday night there were ten British youngsters either on the pitch or on the bench for Arsenal.

The only defence I can give Platini is that he wasn't the only one using the wrong words to describe Wenger's achievements. There was also a couple of thousand pundits and fans alongside him.

The ones hailing that young Arsenal side as the future of football, set to dominate at home and abroad for a good decade. Based on one Carling Cup triumph. If only it were that simple.

Three years ago Wenger sent a team of kids up to Sunderland in the Carling Cup and destroyed them 3-0, forcing many onlookers to predict they had seen the future of football. Stunned Sunderland boss Mick McCarthy went before the microphones shaking his head in disbelief to proclaim: "This is the best collection of young talent I've ever seen."

I agreed with McCarthy having watched the game through awestruck eyes. The style and maturity those kids showed was breathtaking.

But let me remind you of the starting line-up: Almunia, Eboue, Cygan, Campbell, Senderos, Larsson, Muamba, Song, Owusu-Abeyie, Van Persie, Lupoli. Then ask where they are now? Only four (Almunia, Song, Eboue and Van Persie) are still at Arsenal. Muamba is at Bolton, Cygan at Villarreal, Senderos on loan to AC Milan. Larsson and Owusu-Abeyie are playing Championship football at Birmingham and Lupoli is in the same division at Norwich.

Two wonder-kids came off the bench that night, Anthony Stokes (who joined Sunderland) and Patrick Cregg (now at Falkirk). In the three years since, only one player has won a major trophy: Sol Campbell. At Portsmouth.

After Tuesday, Arsenal insiders claimed Jack Wilshere was the new Liam Brady and Carlos Vela the next Lionel Messi. Wenger hailed this current crop as "the greatest generation" and Cesc Fabregas says there is nothing that they cannot achieve.

And they may be proved correct.

But that's what people said three years ago, when Fabrice Muamba was proclaimed the new Patrick Vieira. What was he doing last Saturday? Struggling so badly at The Reebok that Gary Megson hauled him off for Ricardo Vaz Te. Now that's what I call perspective.

Was Arsenal's team of three years ago the future? No. Is the one that ripped Sheffield United apart? Probably not.

By all means love the explosion of talent Wenger creates, marvel at the skill of his young sides and applaud its philosophy. But don't confuse artistic merit and potential with trophies, domestic domination or making an impact on the wider world of football.

Believing Wenger's latest crop of kids is guaranteed to stick together and reign supreme is like believing anything that comes out of his compatriot Platini's mouth.

In plain English: Highly inadvisable.